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« on: June 29, 2009, 01:27:09 am »

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CLICK HERE.

On June 29 the Church will celebrate the Solemnity of Sts. Peter and Paul.  After you have read the material in the website above, would you like to share with us some comments about one or the other (or both) of these great apostles?

Perhaps you would like to quote two or three verses of Scripture written by or about these apostles and explain why the passage is significant or helpful.

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 02:55:59 am »

Thanks Becky!

St Peter was chosen by me as my patron saint when I was confirmed and received into the Catholic Church in 2005.  I did this because it was his successor, Pope John Paul II, that so strongly convinced me to trust him as Christ's Vicar on earth, and all that the Church teaches about the papacy. In that man I saw such a sincerely lived out christian life that I grew to love Pope John Paul II.   

Peter then was the saint I chose when confirmed and received into the Catholic Church. As a former Baptist, it was a sign of contradiction towards the strong Baptist rejection of the Authority of the Papacy and the Church. The Baptists and most protestants spend a lot of time explaining how Jesus did not mean what he was saying about Peter and building the Church "on this rock."  John Martignoni has an excellent explanantion at
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of how Jesus did indeed appoint Peter to be the one who was given authority.

My choosing Peter declares my whole hearted acceptance in faith of this truth, that Jesus made Peter the first Pope, and his successors are given Authority to lead the Church on earth.  I usually celebrate the feast of the chair of Peter as my patronal feast for  that reason, as well as June 29th. 

Specifically to this combined feast, protestants are Paul people. They are fine with seeing him as a great leader. But the acknowledgment of Peter is truly hard for them to do since it is recognizing that Peter has the Keys.  It is great that the Church puts these two together, for there is no conflict between them.

I hope this is what you were looking for people to share! 

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 03:25:38 am »

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Here's another good resource from EWTN.  Scroll all the way down for audio, etc.

CLICK HERE-St. Peter.


CLICK HERE-St. Paul.


Monte, thank you for getting us off to a wonderful beginning.  I tried to leave folks plenty of freedom.  Your post was great.  

Saints Peter and Paul are at peace in my home; on the mantle they stand side by side under a crucifix.  In my dining room I have a print of Christ handing St. Peter the keys.  On the wall behind my computer area hangs a print of St. Paul.  

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 05:02:37 am »

Here is a fresco that was found of St. Paul.  They think it is the earliest one because it is very similar to the iconography of that period in his regards  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102503
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 09:33:31 am »

I must add this quickly before I am off to work.

Some folks, not only protestants, but many Catholics, think there is a conflict between Paul and Peter. Not so, and this joint feast celebrates their unity.

WHile reading the Liturgy of the Hours today, I came to a sermon by Saint Augustine. Here is the last paragraph quoted.

"There is one day for the passion of two apostles. But these two also were as one; although they suffered on different days, they were as one. Peter went first, Paul followed. We are celebrating a feast day, consecrated for us by the blood of the apostles. Let us love their faith, their lives, their labours, their sufferings, their confession of faith, their preaching."
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 02:02:33 pm »

Could someone supply a brief timeline of Peter and Paul?  Was Paul ever made Bishop?  Was Paul a contemporary of St. Iraneous?  Thanks Becky for this timely and interesting topic.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 03:46:44 pm »

Here's a timeline for St. Paul.

I've searched for a similar timeline for St. Peter but couldn't find one. I think it is because we don't know from scripture nearly as much about his activities, after the account in the early chapters of the book of Acts after the Resurrection and Ascension. The focus of the book switches to Paul.

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Was Paul ever made Bishop?  

No, but as an apostle (and one of the major ones) he had more authority than a bishop.

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Was Paul a contemporary of St. Iraneous?  

No; Paul died around 64-66. Irenaeus lived from 130-c. 202.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 04:26:17 pm »

Here is a fresco that was found of St. Paul.  They think it is the earliest one because it is very similar to the iconography of that period in his regards  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102503


Thanks, Rose.  I like it.

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 04:29:24 pm »

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Thanks, Marsha (soooo good to have you posting!!!) for asking the questions and thanks to Friend Dave for answering them!  Smiley


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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 04:31:24 pm »


. . . While reading the Liturgy of the Hours today, I came to a sermon by Saint Augustine. Here is the last paragraph quoted.

"There is one day for the passion of two apostles. But these two also were as one; although they suffered on different days, they were as one. Peter went first, Paul followed. We are celebrating a feast day, consecrated for us by the blood of the apostles. Let us love their faith, their lives, their labours, their sufferings, their confession of faith, their preaching."
                                                                              St. Augustine

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What a beautiful and powerful quote, Monte!  Bless you for sharing it with us.

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 04:35:56 pm »

Thanks, Becky. Lots of good things are happening lately. Be sure to read my "praise report" in the prayer request thread!
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 06:11:43 pm »

Angelus:  Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Sts Peter and Paul, 29 June
A celebration of communion and catholicity

from L'Osservatore Romano Weekly edition in English 1 July 2009

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On Monday,29 June, after celebrating Holy Mass in St Peter's Basilica on the Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Sts Peter and Paul, the Holy Father introduced the recitation of the Angelus with the faithful and pilgrims present. He commented on the Solemnity of the Holy Patrons of the Church of Rome and after the Marian prayer spoke of his third Encyclical, "Caritas in Veritate' soon to be published. The following is a translation of the Pope's Reflection, which was given in Italian.
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"May the joint veneration of these Martyrs be an ever fuller and more deeply felt pledge of communion among Christians in every part of the world."

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2009, 02:52:42 pm »

Thanks everyone for answering my questions as much as possible.  It gives me shudders to think of living in Rome during the time that saints Peter and Paul were martyred.  The violence and cruelty that went on, and the lack of christian love and charity were at a peak, and contrast so starkly with the kingdom that our Lord brought to earth. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2010, 04:28:22 am »


Thought I'd call up this thread in preparation for the solemnity on Tuesday, June 29, 2010.

In the past a reader asked why Sts. Peter and Paul SHARE a day?  See this thread for the answer.

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