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Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 07:32 pm |
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| Please pray for a family whose son is telling them tonight he is gay. This family are friends of ours, and the son has told his sister, and they have both confided in my husband. The boy's father and my husband are good fishing buddies. It is going to break the father's heart and cause a lot of strife in their family. Maybe the worst part is that the son is moving in with his partner after telling the family, so it will definitely be a sinful relationship. They are a close knit, baptist, small town family.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 10:14 pm |
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| Dear Lord Jesus, please surround this family with a perimeter of Your Love and Protection throughout the day today and everyday a hundred yards in all directions. Lord Jesus, render any demons that are there, or should try to come, deaf, dumb, and blind. Strip them of all weapons, illusions, armor, power, and authority. Disable them from communicating or interacting in any way. Bind, sever, and separate them, sending them directly to the foot of Your Cross without manifestation or harm to be dealt with by you Jesus. I ask all this in your Name Lord Jesus and I thank and praise you. I love you. Alleluia. Amen! Last edited on Mon Nov 26th, 2007 10:15 pm by Pani Rose
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Posted: Mon Nov 26th, 2007 11:19 pm |
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| This is one of those rare situations where the Rev. Hensley may of had it right. His used to say, "We would all treat each other a lot better if the Bible had never been written!"
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 12:19 am |
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This subject is so sensitive. I worry if I ever have kids that they may be too encouraged to consider being gay or to accept homosexuality and feel angry with anyone who does not agree.
Nonetheless, I just hope that love prevails in this instance. That communication and relationship stay strong. That the family does not feel that they have to in any way support the lifestyle, and that they may even appear brokenhearted over it and disappointed, yet unconditionally love their son and maitain relationship. I think Christianity would look a lot better if we were known for reaching out more to those we disapprove of instead of condemning.
There is an ecumenical ministry in downtown Chicago (and maybe some other cities as well) called Emmaus house http://www.streets.org/transformation.html where staff walk the streets in openly gay neighborhoods and establish relationships with prostitutes and such and offer them various services and help. I find this inspring. I think our critisicms seem a lot more able to be taken seriously if offered in the midst of unconditional love.
The world is a sad place much of the time. May we fight with truth and charity.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 09:30 am |
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How did it go?
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 09:17 pm |
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| Thanks to all of you for your prayers and concern. The father took it better than we thought he would, so far. The mother is a wreck. The son has moved out of their house into an apt. with his partner, and that has been the worst part of it, that they have lost daily contact with him. I think they have a lot of bad times ahead, because their extended family (aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents) all live on adjoining property, in the grand ole southern style! There is much anti-gay sentiment among them, so it makes it harder for these parents to be accepting. The sister, who is newly married, has been told by her new husband that he won't have her brother in their house. I have looked at the gay lifestyle from a distance and always thought of it in terms of "what ought to be," but I've never known someone this close with this situation, and seen the pain and fallout it causes.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 09:47 pm |
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| Do you think someone to step forward soon and ask, "Who sinned, this man or his parents?"
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 12:58 am |
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I don't understand your question! Are you saying someone should chastise the parents? Rephrase so a simpleton like me understands. 
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 11:13 am |
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In the very old days, people believed that illnesses or a handicapping conditions came to a person because of sin in the person or his family. They did not know about germs or genetics and they felt they needed to blame something or someone for the problem so they blamed the people involved. This seems silly to us today but not so long ago, my grandmother used to tell me to not sit near an open window because, if I did, I would catch a "death of cold". Her generation was not aware that colds came to a person from being around another person who was carrying and sharing germs that caused the cold and not from being exposed to a cool breeze.
One day, when Jesus was out and about, He came upon a blind man. Some people around Him asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents?" (John 9:1 – 3) In other words, they were blaming the blind man or his parents for a genetic variation which caused the blindness. I think we are doing the same thing these days when we take a blaming or self-righteous attitude toward homosexuals. In my mind, assuming that a homosexual can choose his or her life style, is like our saying that a person can choose if the want to have red hair (without drug store help) or brown eyes (without contacts) or be left handed, or have Downs syndrome, etc.
I realize that there are those who have changed their life style. The term for that is "bisexual"; a term which the conservative rights like to avoid. To me, being bisexual is like a person being ambidextrous. Some people can do anything with either hand. Others can do some things with one hand and other things with the other hand. Neither situation is considered a sin. Both situations are the result of genetics. I see the same for life styles. Some people have genetics which dictate that they be heterosexual, some homosexual and some bisexual.
I find it interesting that the people who are quick to point out that homosexuality is a terrible sin, ignore the other rules from the Old Testament, such as women being unclean, for a week if they give birth to a boy but unclean for two weeks if they give birth to a girl (Leviticus 12). Certain actions were dictated by the Jewish laws and such actions were to be taken immediately.
To summarize, we humans have a tendency to cast blame and hatred when we do not understand something or are ignorant of something. In the past, we have done that to people who have had handicapping conditions, given birth to sextuplets, etc. I think that we do not yet know the full story about the causes of homosexuality and until we do, we should extend to them the same Christian love and charity that we extend to hetrosexuals.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 01:13 pm |
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BodRod wrote:
In the very old days, people believed that illnesses or a handicapping conditions came to a person because of sin in the person or his family. They did not know about germs or genetics and they felt they needed to blame something or someone for the problem so they blamed the people involved. This seems silly to us today but not so long ago, my grandmother used to tell me to not sit near an open window because, if I did, I would catch a "death of cold". Her generation was not aware that colds came to a person from being around another person who was carrying and sharing germs that caused the cold and not from being exposed to a cool breeze.
One day, when Jesus was out and about, He came upon a blind man. Some people around Him asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents?" (John 9:1 – 3) In other words, they were blaming the blind man or his parents for a genetic variation which caused the blindness. I think we are doing the same thing these days when we take a blaming or self-righteous attitude toward homosexuals. In my mind, assuming that a homosexual can choose his or her life style, is like our saying that a person can choose if the want to have red hair (without drug store help) or brown eyes (without contacts) or be left handed, or have Downs syndrome, etc.
I realize that there are those who have changed their life style. The term for that is "bisexual"; a term which the conservative rights like to avoid. To me, being bisexual is like a person being ambidextrous. Some people can do anything with either hand. Others can do some things with one hand and other things with the other hand. Neither situation is considered a sin. Both situations are the result of genetics. I see the same for life styles. Some people have genetics which dictate that they be heterosexual, some homosexual and some bisexual.
I find it interesting that the people who are quick to point out that homosexuality is a terrible sin, ignore the other rules from the Old Testament, such as women being unclean, for a week if they give birth to a boy but unclean for two weeks if they give birth to a girl (Leviticus 12). Certain actions were dictated by the Jewish laws and such actions were to be taken immediately.
To summarize, we humans have a tendency to cast blame and hatred when we do not understand something or are ignorant of something. In the past, we have done that to people who have had handicapping conditions, given birth to sextuplets, etc. I think that we do not yet know the full story about the causes of homosexuality and until we do, we should extend to them the same Christian love and charity that we extend to hetrosexuals.
Criff, I very much appriciate and agree with this post. Wonderful!
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 01:19 pm |
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Before getting into this, allow me to say that I do believe that God does love us all dearly, no matter what. Even so, praise His Name and I am thankful for His love and mercy, through the scriptures, God does make it very plain, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, that there are certain BEHAVIORS (not the people, the BEHAVIORS) that God does, to put it mildly, NOT love. Among these "not loved" behaviors are adultery, fornication, and, yes, homosexual behaviors (the sinner is loved, the sin is NOT loved). Please don't throw stones at me, take it up with God. Some people try to say that the Bible does not condemn certain behaviors, however, all I can say, in response to that is that I have read the Bible, read commentaries on the Scriptures, heard speakers on them, and what I have said above is the distinct impression that I have gotten. If you have not come to the same conclusion, I am sorry and I suggest that we wait and see what God says about it in the end times. Anyway, my wife is a Child Protective Services Senior Social Worker of thirty years experience as of last April. She does not break confidentiality, she is very good about maintaining confidentiality, however, in an appropriate manner, generally speaking about such things, she can and has given me an idea about the KINDS of cases she has had to handle and a general idea about how such cases have been handled. Regarding cases involving homosexuals or heterosexuals living together without marriage and the like, sometimes these people have tried to say that "Oh, you are just persecuting me because I am a [whatever they are]." She says that she always asserts to them, right away, that their sexual orientation or living arrangements with an unmarried partner is NOT the issue, that she is ONLY concerned about the needs of the children and what is happening which is harming them. Then she proceeds to make sure that the children are no longer abused or neglected, etc. Even so, she says that she has found, when she starts probing into their lives, that most of the people she has encountered, who are homosexuals or promiscuous heterosexuals, etc. have experienced some sort of abuse at some point in their lives. She tends to privately suspect, as do many of her social work, law enforcement and mental health colleagues, that certain sexual behaviors such as homosexuality, bisexuality, the transgender desires, adultery, fornication and so forth may well be maladaptive behaviors resulting from the abuse. This abuse may NOT have necessarily been done by the person's parents or caretakers, however, no matter how the abuse occurred, it likely happened at some point. I could go on for pages about this, however, no doubt the moderators would be unhappy if I did. I will try to summarize by saying that 1) upon reading the scriptures, it is apparent to me that while loving the sinner, God does not love certain behaviors (the "Thou shalt nots" of the Ten Commandments, for example) including homosexual behavior, 2) no matter what causes certain behaviors, it seems to me that God does want us to NOT practice certain behaviors, 3) when someone else does practice certain behaviors, we are to love the sinner yet minister to them by informing them that God does not want us to do certain things and advise them against doing them. If the above mentioned young man was my son, I would tell him that I love him no matter what, yet, even so, God says that homosexual behavior is wrong and that I have to advise him against doing it. I would tell him that my door is always open to him, however, I ask him not to practice homosexual behavior in my house and, if I should catch him at it, I would have to ask him to stop it and would summon law enforcement to help me get him to stop it if he refused to do so under my roof (sometimes, in some matters, one must practice so called "tough love"). If he came to me asking for clothing, food, or other necessities, I would help him as needed while reminding him that while loving him, I do not support his homosexual behavior. By the way, I feel that if someone finds that they have strong homosexual feelings (or bisexual feelings or adulterous feelings) they need to keep them under control, not acting upon them and asking for God's help in dealing with them. I feel that if someone feels that they are strongly homosexual and feels that they cannot change that God expects them to maintain a life of celibacy - homosexual orientation is NOT a "gift" from God. God did NOT create it. Lastly, if our nation should ever start to widely allow homosexual marriage, we will also soon thereafter have to start to allow polygamy and group marriages, marriages of adults to children and marriage of people to animals - there are organized groups out there ready to push for such forms of marriage if the homosexuals are successful. There are also those who do not want marriage to exist at all. I think that if things like that ever come to pass, instead of being a utopia, our nation will become "hell on earth" and will fall being replaced by a government far more restrictive than anything we can imagine now. Anyway, if the young man mentioned above is going to be involved in a homosexual relationship - which IS sinful in the eyes of God, sorry, however, that is true no matter what some try to say - I hope that he and his partner will at least be faithful to each other. Sexually transmitted diseases are increasing exponentially and some of them, especially the incurable ones, have horrible consequences.
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Some people have genetics which dictate that they be heterosexual, some homosexual and some bisexual.
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Criff: My understanding is that there have been NO studies that prove a "homosexual gene." If you know of such a (scientific) study that proves a genetic basis for homosexuality, please cite it.
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I think that we do not yet know the full story about the causes of homosexuality and until we do, we should extend to them the same Christian love and charity that we extend to hetrosexuals.
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I certainly agree with the above statement. But the bottom line is this: Sexual behavior outside of marriage is a bad idea and yes, wrong. AND, marriage, as taught in the Bible, is to be between a man and a woman.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 01:26 pm |
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JasPax wrote: BodRod wrote:
Some people have genetics which dictate that they be heterosexual, some homosexual and some bisexual.
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Criff: My understanding is that there have been NO studies that prove a "homosexual gene." If you know of such a (scientific) study that proves a genetic basis for homosexuality, please cite it.
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I think that we do not yet know the full story about the causes of homosexuality and until we do, we should extend to them the same Christian love and charity that we extend to hetrosexuals.
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I certainly agree with the above statement. But the bottom line is this: Sexual behavior outside of marriage is a bad idea and yes, wrong. AND, marriage, as taught in the Bible, is to be between a man and a woman.
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Criff (BodRod) has a truly warped sense of humor and I've found that I am often the only one who seems to appreciates the humor of his statements, because I'm just as warped as he is. I thought his comment was hilarious, and intended to be that way, but I also figured others would take him seriously. I really don't think he was making any kind of a social statement. I just think he made a wisecrack in tying a different disorder (homosexuality) in with the gospel story about the blind man.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 04:25 pm |
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O I C  ! So Bod Rod was shining us on, he was jerking our leash, he was messing with our minds, and so forth. OOOOH! As Moe, of the Three Stooges, used to say, "Oh, a WISE GUY, huh?!" to which Curley would respond, "Hey MOE! Lookit the grouse, lookit the grouse!!! NYUK, NYUK, NYUCK!!!"  SIGH!!! OH WELL!!! Maybe I should take up writing novels instead of commenting here, ha, ha!!! Well, glad to see that you guys have a warped sense of humor like mine! Sorry I was slow on the uptake! You all keep pitchin' 'em and I'll keep swingin' at 'em! Maybe I will connect at some point, ha, ha! Seriously, I hope and pray that the young man will eventually, like the proverbial prodigal son, come to his senses and be restored to his family in love. Maybe God will use this time as a time of trial for him to help teach him some things for the good of his soul.
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CajunRick wrote: Criff (BodRod) has a truly warped sense of humor ..........
Hey!!! Wait a minute!!! It is NOT my fault that the rest of the platoon is out of step!!!
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Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2007 04:50 pm |
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| Apple Valley, California! Didn't my boyhood hero, Roy Rogers, used to live out there?! Well, as ol' Roy used to say, "May the Good Lord take a likin' to ya!"
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| Bein' from Apple Valley, California, wonder if BodRod can yodel?!
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Yes, he lived one road (We don't have streets here.) south and about three blocks East of where I live. In the interest of disallowing people to get the wrong idea I should point out, on his road they have 4000 sq. ft. and up houses. On my street .... well ...... we keep our road neat by having all our hogans all in a row.
BTW, he and Dale are still here, they are just a little farther out of town now.
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When I was looking for my new Roy Roger avatar, I saw a picture of Roy and Dale's grave sites. It looked like he had is birth name of Leonard Slye on his grave stone! Of course, that' fine, however, I will always think of him as ol' Roy Rogers!
Hey, wonder if you and Cajun Rick can yodel like ol' Roy and Dale could?!
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We now return to our regularly scheduled topic. Yodeling and Roy Rogers are not appropriate subjects in this forum dedicated to Prayer Requests.
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CajunRick wrote: [Moderator Mode]
We now return to our regularly scheduled topic. Yodeling and Roy Rogers are not appropriate subjects in this forum dedicated to Prayer Requests.
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:? Oops! Sorry! My apologies! Although I understand that Roy Rogers was a Christian and that he could touchingly yodel some hymns!
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| I truly humbly apologize to everyone for my inappropriate humor above. I meant no offense and apologize if I offended anyone. I do greatly respect you all and greatly respect the Roman Catholic Church. If it is any consolation, I will probably leave these forums soon so you will probably not have to put up with my questions and comments (I might return with a question from time to time). So, again, I humbly apologize. Please forgive me.
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It’s not that we don’t appreciate your humor, Marshall. No offense taken. The reason Rick stepped in is that we have a rule about keeping to the topic at hand. And we do welcome you to stay as long as you like.
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