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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 11:30 pm |
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I became a Christian at about the age of seven or eight. I was raised in a Baptist church, in a Baptist family. I was always in Sunday school. From this I learned that God sent his only son, Jesus, to save us by dying upon the cross for the sins of all. I knew that I needed to trust Jesus as my savior, and begin to follow Christ. I was baptized after I prayed and asked God to save me.
My first encounter with Catholics was when I enrolled in a Catholic Hugh School in Atlanta, Marist. I discovered that these were also people of deep faith in Jesus as their savior.
Soon I felt called by God to enter the ministry. I began working with the younger teens at church. My college major was religion, and I attended The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. After seminary I went to Pennsylvania to pastor a church there. I also worked as a hospital chaplain. This put me into contact with other pastors of many denominations. I had a lot of discussions with them about the different beliefs we held regarding the Lord's Supper and Baptism in particular. Funny, I often knew the theological positions that a Presbyterian, Lutheran, or Catholic should hold better than these ministers from those denominations. This is what lead me to begin questioning the theology of my own Baptist tradition. Though we Baptists claimed to not have tradition, it is as strong as steel. So it was that I saw a conflict between what we practiced and taught about the Lord's Supper, that it is symbolic only, and what Jesus plainly said in John chapter 6, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me. 58 "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate, and died, he who eats this bread shall live forever."
So, when I stood before the Baptist congregation and held the bread and quoted the words of Jesus, "This is my body,"
I knew that it was more than just a symbol.
Over the years I was drawn to find a denomination that upheld this truth from the Bible, from the very words of Jesus. For some reason, it did not occur to me to seriously consider Catholicism. For one thing, I could not be a priest, since I was married, and God had called me to serve Him as a minister.
Entering the Episcopal Church or Lutheran was appealing, yet, the liberal leanings in both groups troubled me. I knew what Lutherans and Episcopalians were supposed to believe, but the leadership of each seemed to have drifted from the truth.
Meanwhile, I read the writings of many great teachers over the centuries. Many of these who were most solid were Catholic, even saints, like Augustine and Aquinas. The example of Jesuit and Franciscan missionaries also appealed to me. If asked to name my heroes in the faith, it would include more Catholics than any other group. I loved to read about Ignatius of Loyola, Francis of Assisi and Benedict. I knew that the real Santa Claus was Nicholas, and was a saint who lived out his faith by giving to others.
Most appealing to me was the witness of the life and faith of Pope John Paul II. He became Pope at the time I started college. Here was a man of convictions, and of prayer, and being used by God! He stood up to Communism, had survived the Nazi's, and fought for the rights of the unborn millions. In him I could see Jesus. Though Baptists are not supposed to like the Pope, some of my favorite books were about Popes living out their faith in Christ.
One day I heard the bells ringing for noon Mass at St. Peter's Catholic Church in Charlotte. I was there on business. In years past I had attended other churches for prayer services held at lunchtime. It appealed to me to go into the church and pray, even if I wasn't Catholic.
And there it stuck me that I saw a church like it should be. Businessmen in suits next to hard hats and jeans. African American and Vietnamese worshipped with Hispanics. Young and old alike, and all in QUIET prayer, earnestly seeking God. AND, most of all, I felt God's presence so strongly there, and I looked, and I knew, it was because the Lord was present in the tabernacle.
So began my journey home to Rome. I knew that Baptists were disconnected from the historic faith, here was a group that went back to the first. I had read the writings of the earliest Bishops, and they had been direct students of the Apostles. Soon I started attending Mass in my town, and became friends with the priest. In time, I understood that God was calling me to become a Catholic. I had a conversation with the Lord in prayer over this. Clearly I heard that if He had called me to go on a mission to a distant place I would go. Now God was calling me to go to a different place, even though it was just across town.
After several years I resigned from the Baptist church that I pastored. Then I began to attend the RCIA classes and prepare to be received into full communion as a Catholic at Easter vigil. I took a job as a truck driver. My family did not follow me in this move to the Catholic Church. I had waited three years from when I told them that I felt called to become Catholic. They have remained very active as Baptists.
Now I teach CCD classes, sing in the choir, and answer questions on Catholic forums. Most of all, I receive the sacraments regularly, and am trying to grow in my devotion to the Lord.
To God be the glory,
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Monte Waddill
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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 11:40 pm |
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Monte, your story is incredible. I can't imagine the courage it must have taken to abandon everything in your life for your faith. I think it proves there is more than one kind of martyr.
It is an honor to have you here with us.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14th, 2006 11:56 pm |
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Thanks Rick for the words of encouragement. I have received this kind of encouragement and support from many fellow Catholics.
I saw a quote that said another convert would not have become a Catholic if he could have helped it. And for me, the only reason would have been family. But the conflict that has swirled around my becoming Catholic was rooted in other difficulties in our marriage. Many of these I own as my fault, others are the choice of my spouse. Still, there is the plain fact that when a choice must be made regarding obedience, I must obey God rather than man. (seems like I read that in the Bible, ACTS 5:29)
Martyrdom is an experience common to Baptist pastors, as the statistic is that the average stay of a SBC pastor is less than two years. This is accomplished by forced terminations being threatened by people playing power games in the congregations. It happened to me, with an admission at the last congregation that I had done nothing wrong, only pursued bringing in new people. The old guard did not want new people, but rather the status quo.
And that kind of painful experience began to erode my marriage long before I ever thought to become Catholic.
Let us as Catholics constantly be on our guard to protect and pray for our pastors, as this kind of conflict can exist in any church.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15th, 2006 12:00 am |
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SBC2RCC wrote: Let us as Catholics constantly be on our guard to protect and pray for our pastors, as this kind of conflict can exist in any church.
There is no such thing as a bad priest, only priests who's people do not pray enough for them.
St. John Vianney, Patron of Priests
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Posted: Mon Nov 20th, 2006 03:45 pm |
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God Bless you Monte, and many brave souls like yourself in this civility-starved world we live in. Even within our churches, civility seems to be taking a back seat to internal (and sometimes external) politics more and more as each passing day flies by. Although I'm a "cradle Catholic," who returned a few years ago, much to the immediate distress of my wife at the time, and a few members of the local church we belong to, I'm one of the beneficiaries of a curious local rule allowing members of our American Baptist Convention church (First Baptist of Amherst, MA) a form of "dual citizenship. As I see it, the rule was promolgated to accomodate the many transient academics who worship here. Fine, I'll take a break every now and then.
I probably would've left long ago had it not been for the very generous treatment and loving assistance we have received here. Nevertheless, there are those moments when we're faced with those special spiritual awkward moments that have to be dealt with one way or another. In your case, the price was awfully steep. Too steep. My prayers and heart go out to you and your entire family.
My story is long and a bit curvey with a few pot-holes (reflecting my lack of better judgment at times.) But right now I want to concentrate on giving you the encouragement you need and deserve. Your story seemed pretty similar to the predicament faced by our pastor. Things were growing, and the place was bustling. However, there was this clique of stick-in-place folks who wanted to keep things nice and cozy. They were young or folks in their early middle-ages ironically enough. They put my pastor through hell, and he's a really nice man who was just trying to do his best, only to be second guessed by people who eventually quit and joined other, albeit much more liberal, churches nearby.
The back-biting, the hush-hush and wondering who you were talking to was bad enough for volunteers, I can only imagine how much pressure it was for my pastor. Perhaps Survivor ought to film a series based out of an evangelical church, with all the personality politics, alliance-building and back-stabbing to ensure high Nielson ratings.
While watching this soap opera work its way through, I couldn't help wistfully wishing I was back in a Catholic parish. Sure, the local diocesan chancery would send a real doozy of a priest every now and then, but it didn't matter as much because you could always attend a Mass in the next town over and still count on getting fed with the same truth. Surely bishops hate this practice, but so long as you keep attending your home parish and dropping your envelopes in the basket, they had no reason to keep harping.
Alas, within non-liturgical Protestant denominations, the overall situation rests too heavily upon the pastors' shoulders and/or deteriorating ego and self-confidence shattered by constant bickering and politiking. I bet the so-called "mega-church" pastors face this as well, but in spades! At least they probably have better p.r. "handlers" to "spin" the coziest situation possible. They had better. There's a lot of money to lose with increasing numbers of frowning believers.
It certainly takes a lot of fortitude for a Baptist pastor to give it all up to join the Catholic Church, especially deep in the Bible Belt. You'll succeed in the long haul. I know it. Perhaps it's coincidence, but as I'm writing this response, and listening to "Celtic Melt" on iTunes, "Ave Maria" just came over the wires. It's a done deal, brother, a done deal.
You have won, and I'm very proud of you and the example you have set for so many of us out in this cyber-parish forum looking for additional encouragment.
God Bless you and many thanks and much fraternal love!
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Hi Monte,
I'm just reading your conversion story, today. You've been through so much, and yet have always had your heart open to my struggles. Thank you. Hope all is going well for you.
I wonder how your wife feels about you volunteering so much at church - away from her. It's an issue with me, as you know.
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Posted: Tue Feb 13th, 2007 06:38 pm |
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Laura, (and any others interested of course)
Well, my wife did not object to my volunteering and participating so much. I had always been very involved in church activities. OF COURSE, she DID OBJECT to it being at the Catholic church.
She has left now, moved out before the holidays. This was actually something she has been headed towards since long before my conversion, quite unfortunately. There were strains on our marriage that she decided were not acceptable. During counseling three years ago she said that her intention to move out began several years prior to that time. This was news to me. Much of it has to do with my parents and sister and their health problems.
Now that I am no longer a Baptist pastor, there was no need to "keep up appearances."
Please Pray for my now separated family.
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Posted: Wed Feb 14th, 2007 11:58 am |
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I'm sorry Monte. I sometimes wonder if it would be easier to "let it all go", but I'm sure you and Angie would tell me it's not. I hope you're healing. Heartbreak is the worst pain, isn't it? Makes me wonder what I've done to the Lord's heart with my own selfish actions.
God's blessings to you.
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Posted: Sat Feb 17th, 2007 11:43 am |
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SUBJECT: Heartbreak tears
Lately I find that I often have tears continually streaming in the evenings as I watch TV, read, pray, try to go to sleep. There is a level of sadness that my body is trying to make me aware of, I guess.
In case anyone wonders, I have offered to make changes within reason and have been rejected. Unfortunately, people separate and divorce all over the world for reasons that are unfathomable. I just have to turn it over to the Lord and ask for mercy for all of us.
Please pray for all those whose families are broken.
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Posted: Sat Feb 17th, 2007 12:27 pm |
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<<<.....During counseling three years ago she said that her intention to move out began several years prior to that time......>>>
Have you considered the possibility that religion was just an excuse to do what she wanted to do for years. From the perspective of some non-Catholic religions, becoming Catholic is equal to doing the unpardonable sin and provides an excellent excuse to do most anything they want. Their reactions to a spouse or significant other joing the RCC may include such behaviors normally not associated with Christian behavior, such as speaking in an unsulting or belittling manner, having affairs, getting a divorce, etc.
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Posted: Sat Feb 17th, 2007 12:48 pm |
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Yup, that's right on target. just an excuse. Yet, she had opposition to my becoming Catholic. Here in the Bible Belt, "it's just not done." My extended family is almost entirely Baptist. The ones who aren't Baptist are mostly just unchurched. It was described as an infidelity and a breaking of promises on my part. This was sincere, though it is interesting to contrast with her marital infidelity.
All this lead to her moving out and beginning a year of separation. That is the only way she can get a divorce, as the lawyer says that I have not done anything that gives her grounds to sue for divorce.
At first there was opposition to my exploring catholicism. Then there was at times heated words. When I finally joined the Catholic Church, she began to sleep on the couch some nights.
BUT, as I said, we had already been through counseling following my discovery of emails and such that indicated infidelity. And, then I learned that she had decided that she wanted out many years prior to that time.
I agree that it is an excuse, an acceptable reason to give to her friends and especially the members of the Baptist church she attends regularly. And, the painful thing is that the Baptists do see my becoming Catholic as reason enough to leave me and seek a new life. It is a problem for her friends to hold this attitude since most who have gotten to know me admit that I am a deeply committed Christian, and this confuses them.
Thanks for y'all's concern and sharing with my burden.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18th, 2007 01:03 pm |
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Dear Monte,
How can your wife's Baptist Church support her actions? Or am I missing something here? Do they know of her unfaithfulness to you or has she been deceitful?
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 07:25 pm |
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| Some know, others do not. And, well, maybe I should not have brought this info out here. Please just pray for her.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27th, 2007 12:42 am |
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Monte,
I'm so sorry. I've been thru it, tho it was before I discovered the Church. Actually, the pain of the divorce eventually led to my discovery of the Church. I hope something good will come for you as well.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27th, 2007 06:54 pm |
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Thanks for the empathy. It is amazing the number of people whose lives have been scarred by divorce. I experienced it twice as a child when my parents split. Now, I get to go through it after what I thought was 26 years of a strong marriage.
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Posted: Wed Feb 28th, 2007 02:03 pm |
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 Monte, I'm not a Canon lawyer, but from everything you've posted, it sure looks like you have a solid case for an annulment. You should be able to enjoy life to its fullest as God would want for any of His children. Of course, divorced Catholics aren't denied the sacraments, but if you remarry, well, you know the drill.
I'm not sure about a Church-wide reversal of this rule. Undoubtedly there are some considerations that I, a layman and non-canonical lawyer, am not aware of. One thing we do know: Rome thinks in centuries. That's not all that bad considering the mess the Episcopal clergy created with their rash decisions. It doesn't hurt to be respectful of the past, including Jesus' admonition against divorce (save for adultery) while looking at the long-range effects of a decision made today.
You have my prayers and heartfelt desire for a satisfactory ending to this hellish divorce your ex has dragged you through, almost entirely as a result of plain old fashioned raw religious bigotry. And, of course I'll be praying for your wife to come to a more Christ-like understanding of your spiritual journey and what it has cost you.
Nobody in this day and age in this country ought to be raked over the coals like you have. We all have to suffer and carry our crosses with humility, saintliness and a commitment to carrying it to our respective Calvarys, but this is an entirely avoidable situation you have found yourself in. However, from reading your posts, I can see that you're handling this in a gentlemanly and Christ-like manner.
I bet you were a great Baptist minister. Perhaps because of this, and your former congregants experiencing such a loss, that some of this has found itself as added weight upon your cross. The line between love and hate seems to be getting a lot thinner these days.
God Bless you Monte! You ARE an inspiration.
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| For what it's worth, I know a man who had a very similar faith journey. He was raised Methodist and married. When he felt drawn to the Catholic faith and converted, his wife left him (there were obviously other problems, but I don't know details). He received a Declaration of Nullity, and today is one of the finest Catholic priests I know.
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I'd like to be there when a parishioner tells him "C'mon, you're a priest, what do you know about ex-wives and dee-vorce lawyers?" 
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Posted: Wed Feb 28th, 2007 05:10 pm |
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Steven Barrett wrote: I'd like to be there when a parishioner tells him "C'mon, you're a priest, what do you know about ex-wives and dee-vorce lawyers?"
Parishioners are quite aware that he's divorced, but most don't know he's a convert. I only learned of that recently.
I might add that he has no minor children. The Church will generally not consider a man who has to pay child support as a candidate for ordination to the priesthood. They don't get paid enough! The divorce was by mutual consent and left him free of joint financial obligations. So legally, the divorce left him truly free of legal obligations, and the Declaration of Nullity left him free to marry or be ordained in the Church. I have known widowed priests before, but he's the only divorced priest I've ever known who's ex-wife is still living.
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So sorry and sad for your loss. Remember Christ on the Cross and offer your suffering up to Him for He can and WILL make Good with it.
There is healing in the Holy Eucharist beyond measure.
God Bless you
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