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As a couple other members on this forum I come from a Baptist background. I was actually raised in a bible church. Which holds most of the same beliefs as Baptists. My family was very active in the church, AWANA's (a bible memorization club for kids), and pro-life ministry in San Antonio. There I was exposed to Catholics some, when I questioned my father about what they believed I was told many of the normal misconceptions of the Church. I was baptized at 8 or so, but later on accepted Christ as my personal Lord and savior. And was "Re-baptized" to get the order right. My parents ended up divorcing and some nasty family secrets of abuse came out. My church was so upset with us, me and my siblings moved with our father to a different city. With very fresh wounds from our old church our dad sought to find us a good church. Eventually we settled down in a Baptist church. Here I got involved and loved it. Eventually life moved quickly, my dad began to travel around the world for work, I was left alone. My church truly became my family as I had little contact with my mother and my father was very busy. He got married to a wonderful woman and asked me to move to Kansas City to rebuild our relationship. I had just graduated high school, so I agreed. My step-mom became like a mother to me and my dad and I started to gain each others trust again.

I started to party a lot, and a couple of tragic things happened that caused me to allow my life to get out of control. During a three year period, I cannot remember a sober day. One night a bright lightening storm was going on. I have always loved a good storm. I opened my windows and sat in the living room. All of the sudden I felt a huge conviction about what I was doing. All I could do was hit my knees. I knew I had to change my life. A co-worker was talking to me early that week and told me to read Psalms 51, and I just shrugged her off. Well I felt a need to go read that at that moment. I went a dusted off my bible (Which I had not opened in years) and looked up Psalms 51. I was moved to tears. It was a slow process of coming clean and getting away from certain people in my life. But I went back to a Southern Baptist Church. That is what I knew. They were an amazing support for me.  

I began to take my faith serious and study why I believed what I believed. It pushed me to a lot of prayer and study. I started researching Catholicism just out of curiosity (I love to study other religions and denominations). I wasn't even considering it to be an option to me. During this time I was grappling with the issue of which denomination is right (still would NEVER have considered the Catholic Church). I was very confused about how many different interpretations there were. So I started to study a lot and read the bible a lot more and then I would read what all the denominations stances were. So I was stuck. About this time in my recreation study of the Church, I decided to go back to the reformation and see what it was all about. I remember being taught it was about purgatory and how the evil Catholic Church made the poor peasant people pay for their relatives to get to heaven. Anyway this is when I found out about Sola Scriptura. That was pretty much the beginning for me. I studied for a while on my own through different web sites.

At the time I knew one Catholic (my former boss, who is now my sponsor), and he talked with me a little, but mainly pointed me to some great resources. He would give me books and I just devoured them. But then he gave me a CD Set called "Answering common Questions and Objections" by Scott Hahn. I knew by the end of that CD I wasn't Southern Baptist anymore. Then later on he gave me a CD called "Sola Scriptura" by Ken Hensley and that is when I knew I was Catholic. I still had a couple of things to over come, and a big one being Mary. But then I started to read about the beauty of the Eucharist. Oh I started to long for it so deeply. 


I started a series of discussion with my pastor about Catholicism. The discussions were pretty hard and I walked away very discouraged and confused. I just kept studying and reading. Prior to that I stepped down from ministry at my church (I had not left my church yet), I felt I was not capable of leading anyone to a deeper understand of God if I didn’t even know what I believed. Eventually I left my church but kept in contact. I really did nothing. I sat at home for a while before I started RCIA. I went to have, what would be, the final discussion with my pastor was how the cannon of the bible came about. He told me that it wasn’t the Church that made it inspired (which I agree with) and that the Holy Spirit protected it. He said it was passed down from person to person, and he even threw in there “by the people you would call the early Church Fathers”. All I could say was “What? You mean like Tradition?” Of course he admittedly denied it, but I knew at that point I knew what I had to do.

 

Very few of my old friends from my former church talk to me. And if they do they just don’t talk about the elephant in the room. My dad and step-mom have little to do with me now. I have called them a couple of times, but when we talk, they only want to talk for a very brief time. Most of my family is very upset about this. But God has a raised a small group of friends to support me. My sponsor has been amazing. I know I have prayer warriors that surround me.

 

I will come into the Church November 26, 2006. I long for this day when I will be sealed with the Holy Spirit and join the Church at the banquet of life. God has been good to me. It has been a rough but good road. I have learned a lot about my faith and about myself. I am so thankful God called me home, to the Church. I look at the number of authentic protestant Christians, who never get or answer this call (I don’t know which on). I don’t know why I was chosen. I am not very versed theologically nor to I have a spouse who is Catholic (which is the case with all the other in my  RCIA class). God just allowed me to come home. Although I will enter the Church soon, it will only be the beginning of the journey for me.

Your sister in Christ,

Esther

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What a beautiful testimony. Thank you for sharing.
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Esther, What a great story about your journey from the formerly "dark ages" SBC church and upbringing to the light of Catholicism. Even the Episcopal Church (preferably a conservative parish) would've been a major positive change.

I'm always amazed at the arch-conservatism and prickly use of the Bible to defend some of the most prejudicial attitudes. And this is being done by people who believe they belong to a church that "unshackled" itself from the medieval Romish faith.

The whole notion of "bible" versus "non-bible" churches is a boogeyman constructed by the most intransigent paper-pope-pushers Protestantism has to offer.

Here's how to play the "friends in (not-so) low places" role at a conservative evangelical function:

1. Tell 'em the Bible's NOT the final authority.
2. Talk about a really great experience you had at a Catholic Mass recently.
3. Tell 'em that purgatory makes more sense than a straight heaven or hell proposition.
4. Ask 'em why they can't offer real wine during communion.
5. Ask 'em why they only hold communion once a month and why it's not the REAL thing.
6. Ask 'em why Baptism is denuded of its sacramental efficacy; or why they think filling out pledge cards are more significant than (any kind of) Baptisms. Then find a way to let 'em know you think their position is, er, um, cough, hack and uhm again: unbiblical. That'll raise eyebrows.
7. Ask 'em why the Bible Belt leads in divorces. (Las Vegas doesn't count.)
8. Tell 'em you think the neighbor's front porch Marian shrine is so nice.
9. Ask 'em why they think the Rosary is a vain repetition while the constant repeating of those now popular, albeit banal and boring Praise and Worship "hymns" aren't.
10. Ask 'em why the drum set and guitar speakers are more prominent than the altar. (Better yet, what happened to their altars!)

Now, if that doesn't make you the talk of the church n' town! Not to mention the family pariah!



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Steven Barrett wrote: Esther, What a great story about your journey from the formerly "dark ages" SBC church and upbringing to the light of Catholicism. Even the Episcopal Church (preferably a conservative parish) would've been a major positive change.

I'm always amazed at the arch-conservatism and prickly use of the Bible to defend some of the most prejudicial attitudes. And this is being done by people who believe they belong to a church that "unshackled" itself from the medieval Romish faith.

The whole notion of "bible" versus "non-bible" churches is a boogeyman constructed by the most intransigent paper-pope-pushers Protestantism has to offer.

Here's how to play the "friends in (not-so) low places" role at a conservative evangelical function:

1. Tell 'em the Bible's NOT the final authority.
2. Talk about a really great experience you had at a Catholic Mass recently.
3. Tell 'em that purgatory makes more sense than a straight heaven or hell proposition.
4. Ask 'em why they can't offer real wine during communion.
5. Ask 'em why they only hold communion once a month and why it's not the REAL thing.
6. Ask 'em why Baptism is denuded of its sacramental efficacy; or why they think filling out pledge cards are more significant than (any kind of) Baptisms. Then find a way to let 'em know you think their position is, er, um, cough, hack and uhm again: unbiblical. That'll raise eyebrows.
7. Ask 'em why the Bible Belt leads in divorces. (Las Vegas doesn't count.)
8. Tell 'em you think the neighbor's front porch Marian shrine is so nice.
9. Ask 'em why they think the Rosary is a vain repetition while the constant repeating of those now popular, albeit banal and boring Praise and Worship "hymns" aren't.
10. Ask 'em why the drum set and guitar speakers are more prominent than the altar. (Better yet, what happened to their altars!)

Now, if that doesn't make you the talk of the church n' town! Not to mention the family pariah!

Yep, you hit all the points that relate very well to my baptist church!  At every baptism, our pastor points out how baptism doesn't save; it's just "obeying our Lord" or "following our Lord", etc...and the praise & worship stuff, I have to use that one for vain repitition:) 


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Steven Barrett wrote: 1. Tell 'em the Bible's NOT the final authority.
2. Talk about a really great experience you had at a Catholic Mass recently.
3. Tell 'em that purgatory makes more sense than a straight heaven or hell proposition.
4. Ask 'em why they can't offer real wine during communion.
5. Ask 'em why they only hold communion once a month and why it's not the REAL thing.
6. Ask 'em why Baptism is denuded of its sacramental efficacy; or why they think filling out pledge cards are more significant than (any kind of) Baptisms. Then find a way to let 'em know you think their position is, er, um, cough, hack and uhm again: unbiblical. That'll raise eyebrows.
7. Ask 'em why the Bible Belt leads in divorces. (Las Vegas doesn't count.)
8. Tell 'em you think the neighbor's front porch Marian shrine is so nice.
9. Ask 'em why they think the Rosary is a vain repetition while the constant repeating of those now popular, albeit banal and boring Praise and Worship "hymns" aren't.
10. Ask 'em why the drum set and guitar speakers are more prominent than the altar. (Better yet, what happened to their altars!)

Now, if that doesn't make you the talk of the church n' town! Not to mention the family pariah!


1. Obviously not, the Pastor's OPINION is the final authority!

2. They're not just on Sundays and Wednesday's you know!

3. But if you say the "Sinners Prayer" you're going to heaven...GUARANTEED!

4. Because then the kids wouldn't have anything to drink at snack time, of course!

5. Well you wouldn't want to be "RITUALISTIC" about it now would you!

6. Without pledge cards, how can you keep count of the number of salvations?

7. It's not like marriage is a sacrament or anything.

8. Typical Catholic...prays to statues.

9. When communion becomes just snack time, the service has to be centered on something...praise and worship.

10. See number 9!

My wife and I have attended Baptist churches for the last several years. We will be attending Catholic services in the future. I am a cradle Catholic, currently coming home, and she is interested in starting RCIA very soon.


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You folks are BAD, but "bad" in an awfully good way.  Keep it up!  Last month,  a dear friend of mine at the local baptist church my family attends said, "You ought to like this, they're going up towards the altar.  The communion's just like the Catholics'."

"Nope," saith I in a mischeviously friendly presence of mind.  "Saying it's the same isn't the same as really being the same." 

My friend caught on, but some others around us were left shaking their heads, or politely as possible biting their tongues.

One of these days I'm going to request to lead the church in a very unsusual Praise n' worship tune of my own, (with apologies to Waylon Jennings),  "I've always been Catholic but it kept me from going insane."  Or I'll try this, (with apologies to Kinky Friedman) "They don't make converts like Cardinal Newman anymore."

'Night y'all and glad you liked my Top Ten for Evangelicals. 



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You mean to tell me the pastor's NOT infallible when he's spouting from his infallible KJV?  I can just feel the ground movin' below the cinderblock foundations.



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Steven Barrett wrote:
10. Ask 'em why the drum set and guitar speakers are more prominent than the altar. (Better yet, what happened to their altars!)

Now, if that doesn't make you the talk of the church n' town! Not to mention the family pariah!

:) Thank you for your response all. They are fabulous. I needed a good laugh. You know this is one of the things that drew me to the Catholic Church was in the middle of it all was the alter (and found out later what the tabernacle was and found myself more in love) not a pulpit, were a mere man stands.


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I am a Southern Baptist who has studied the RCC for several years. I cannot get past the Mary apparitions and my fundamentalist upbringing, though I am attracted to the Church. Why are chapels built to Mary if she is not a deity? I am honestly confused.


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Welcome to the CHN Forum, AP. As you look around, you will notice that we have the forum arranged according to topic. This is to help people, especially those not registered as members, to find the information they are looking for without wading through hundreds of posts on other topics.

For your convenience, however, I will answer your initial question here.

Catholic churches and chapels carry the names of saints to do them honor. The same is true in secular society when a building is named after someone who has contributed to that society in a significant way. So to have a parish church named “St. Paul’s” or “St. Mary’s” does not in any way imply that they are divine beings.

As a matter of fact, Mary’s status as a creature and a human being was necessary to God’s plan of salvation. Since she was designated to become the mother of our Savior, who is by nature the Son of God, she contributed her humanity to make this possible.

In addition, many people, seeing the honor we bestow on Mary as the mother of God, are misled to believe that we consider her equal to Christ and therefore sinless by nature. This too is false. Mary’s sinlessness is not hers, but is derived from that of her Son. Mary had to have a Savior and be redeemed right along with the rest of humanity. The difference between her and us is in her unique role as mother of Christ. Because this role began historically before her Son could be born, so also the grace and salvation that she needed had to come before. As a result, she was sanctified at the moment she was conceived in the womb of her mother, St. Anne, by the anticipated grace and redemption supplied by her Son.

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Hi AlmostPersuaded!  Welcome to the forum.  As you can see from what's being discussed we like to have a little fun, but our purpose is serious.  We are all on a journey in faith.  Good to have you with us!


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Sorry about not being in the right forum. I will learn. THanks for the reply.


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Thanks, Credo Catholic! Pray for me as I seek the truth about God's Church.


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AlmostPersuaded wrote: I am a Southern Baptist who has studied the RCC for several years.

Welcome to the Coming Home Network.  We're very happy to have you here with us.  We promise we'll do our best to answer your questions truthfully and without judgment, and to assist you on your faith journey in any way we can, wherever it might lead you.  And if you ever should decide to "cross the Tiber" we will assist in any way we can, and we'll be praying in the mean time that the Holy Spirit leads you in the way God wishes you to worship him.

We look forward to your active participation.  Thanks for dropping by.



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Hi again AlmostPersuaded!  As a former Southern Baptist, I was taught that no one ever lived without sin except for Jesus, and there was a time when I thought Catholics were wrong for saying Mary was without sin.  To me that meant they were saying she was divine.  I thought she was only a human like me, a creature of God.  Well, she was.  But I was always more than a little curious about her.  I gave her a lot of thought and came to believe she was probably the most special human ever born without deity.  Certainly to be chosen by God to bear the Saviour of the world with her human body she would have to be.  I came to admire her very much, especially after I became a mother myself and knew a mother's special love for her child.  It's different from a father's love, as much as I know fathers love their children. Anyway, when I became disheartened with the protestant church, I began to read and learn about the Catholic church, and that they do not worship Mary but honor her and call her blessed as the Bible says.  Sometimes it still seems to me that some Catholics "push the envelope" as they say!  They do say some things that seem to worship her to the untrained ear.  But to say that Mary is divine is not what the church itself teaches.   As to her sinlessness, there is an analogy some of us have heard:  If a man is walking down the street and falls into a hole, and someone pulls him out, he has been "saved" from the hole.  If another person is walking down the street, and someone stops him just as he is about to step into the hole but prevents it, he is also "saved" from the hole.  They were both saved, only one was saved prior to falling.  Catholics believe Mary was saved at the moment of conception, making her "full of grace," full meaning there was no room for sin.  Because Jesus is the Eternal Word incarnate, it is fitting that Mary's body, mind and heart be pure, as a vessel, just as the Ark of the Covenant was made of pure gold for God's word.  It wasn't hard for me to accept, once I realized anything is possible for God to do.  If I can believe Jesus was born of a virgin, died and rose again for me, then I can and do believe He honored His mother in every way.  Part of my journey was accepting things I didn't fully understand, but wanted to step out in faith.  I hope this helps a little, and if I have stated any errors on church teaching that someone will correct me.  God bless you on your journey to truth.


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Credo,

Thanks for the explanation. I know I'm filtering everything through my Baptist upbringing (sola scriptura), but it does seem to me that such a doctrine (Mary's sinlessness) would have been mentioned in Sacred Scripture. I don't want to be argumentative. Thanks for the reply.

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I know I'm filtering everything through my Baptist upbringing (sola scriptura), but it does seem to me that such a doctrine (Mary's sinlessness) would have been mentioned in Sacred Scripture. I don't want to be argumentative.
From our point of view, it is contained in the angel’s salutation: “Hail, full of grace!” (Luke 1:28). Mary could not be full of grace if she was a sinner. Again, in v. 35, we read, ““The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.” How could Mary receive the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit and become the mother of God incarnate if she was an unworthy sinner?

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Hi Almost,

Welcome to the forum.  Have you read Scott Hahn's "Hail Holy Queen?"  I picked it up on CD from our local library of all things!  It is helping me a lot.  Scott Hahn is brilliant and he uses TONS of Scripture.  Blessings on your journey.



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Thanks. I guess I didn't equate "full of grace" with "sinlessness." I appreciate your sharing the point of view. Because this was the Fellowship Area, not for substantive discussion, should I take this topic elsewhere? Thanks again.

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Thanks. I will check it out. I watch "The Journey Home" program every chance I get and often Scott Hahn follows with Mike Aquilino.


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AlmostPersuaded wrote: Thanks. I guess I didn't equate "full of grace" with "sinlessness." I appreciate your sharing the point of view. Because this was the Fellowship Area, not for substantive discussion, should I take this topic elsewhere? Thanks again.

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It is preferred that topics of a substantive nature take place in the appropriate forum.  If you're not sure where to post it, just click "New Topic" and post it anywhere.  We'll move it to where it fits best.

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I had Googled "baptist catholic differences" and stumbled across this website and thread.

I know that this thread may have been "derailed" but has inspired a good conversation that I personally believe should be allowed to continue.

 

I am new here.  I was brought up Catholic, but was not in a religious family.  Last year, I moved down to Alabama.  I was getting married, and really wanted my uncle to marry us.  He is a Baptist minister, and seeing how my wife and I had no real obligation to any church, we tried a few around here and settled on a Baptist church.  I have joined the church.  Yes, I went through the baptism.  In my heart I know I was baptised at birth, and that was the only baptism necessary.  I had to struggle with some feelings about it, but view my recent Baptism as a "renewing my faith in Christ".  As far as I am concerned, you can Baptise me every day (trust me, I've sinned enough-I could use it).

 

So since I have joined, I am quite a challenge to my pastor.  When I was first considering his church, he came to my house and asked a bunch of questions.  I told him that Baptising a baby is VERY important to me.  I couldn't explain why, I just know in my heart that it is right.  In our conversation, I also told him that I want him to bless my house when I buy it.  I also told him that I didn't want to be a part of a church that tells children that Halloween is bad.  Let the kids dress up and get candy for cryin out loud.  I know that I am a challenge for him.

 

I am reading up on the differences between Baptists and Catholics.  I think that we all believe in God, and Jesus Christ.  I may be alone in my church who believes in the Holy Trinity..I don't know how they feel about that.  Needless to say, I am reading the Bible straight thru, I've never read it before.  I'm in Psalms.  People have tried to give me study Bible, but I'm just gonna let God speak to me.

 

I know I'm a Catholic at heart, but I don't really want ANY label.


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Quiet Observer wrote: I know I'm a Catholic at heart, but I don't really want ANY label.
Phil, we're happy to have you with us.  Welcome to the Coming Home Network.  We welcome your presence and participation, and promise we'll help you in any way we can on your faith journey, wherever it may lead you.

Please feel free to ask questions and comment as you see fit, and we'll do our best to answer you honestly and respectfully.  Several of our members are former Baptist clergy and members, so I'm sure you'll find lots of helpful company.

We try not to be too strict about our topics, but we do prefer that when things get too far off track that a new topic is started.  We'll move them if we feel they need to be moved, but we can't take a message from the middle of an existing thread and use it to start a new one.  If you're not sure, just hit the "New Topic" button at the top of the thread, and we'll take care of the rest.

We look forward to getting to know you better.  Welcome again to CHN.



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