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 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2006 07:08 pm

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This is meant to be an encouragement to anyone who is, (1) An Episcopalian/Anglican and/or (2) A senior citizen. I am still very much the latter, but not the former. As of Easter, 2006, I am a happy Catholic. If you are not #1 or #2, you are still invited along.

Growing up in a different time, I had a Baptist mother and a non-practicing Methodist father. Both held and taught strict moral standards. In 1963, I went through a nine month adult confirmation class and joined my young wife's Episcopal Church. We called ourselves, "Anglo-Catholic." The liturgy and the Eucharist were all-important. Over the years I saw sad things happen to this fine denomination. The conference of 1979 was a watershed event. Increasinly, in their eagerness to accommodate all points of view in the name of inclusion, the faith was gradually eroded to the point that almost anything became acceptable. Finally, the train has left the tracks.

I looked into the numerous Anglican groups that have sprung up in the U.S. There are presently at least two dozen such groups; each with a few parishes scattered across the country. In our small city there are four, all small and separated from each other. We visited two. Wonderful, God-loving people. Why are they separated? The same reason that other protestant groups are split apart - no central authority. (In the U.S. there are several Anglican-use parishes that are full Catholic - none in my area).

O.K. What now? I'm a son of the south with deep roots in the Baptist/Methodist traditions. I spent many hours in Protestant churches. I admire their commitment to the faith and love of Jesus that many have, but there are too many omissions. I was not a stranger to the Catholic Church. I"ve been around a while (69 years then). I had Catholic friends during my military service and in my working and volunteer life. I've always been a reader, especially as regards theology. Our daughter married a Catholic boy and we became part of his Italian-American family. We went to all the Grandkid's baptisms, first communions and confirmations.

But convert to Catholicism? I wasn't sure about that. But, we started attending Mass, sitting in the back and getting our feet stepped on by others going forward to receive Christ. Being there just didn't feel right. The liturgy seemed skimpy, after our years with the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. I could recite that communion liturgy by heart. One Sunday, while sitting glumly in a pew, it was as though God gave me a jab in the side and I knew this was where I belonged. See, God has to get rough with poor listeners. When I announced my revelation to Sweetie, I got that familiar, long-suffering look that says, "What took you so long?"

Now, don't you look at me like that. I know I went into this for the wrong reason. I was looking for an ALTERNATIVE. Instead I(we) discovered that this was where we belonged all along. Better late than never, eh?

I began more reading and watching EWTN. On of the first Journey Home programs I watched included a former Episcopal minister who recently converted. I wrote that young man with a list of my concerns. I received back a long and encouraging reply. Primarily, I was concerned that the Catholic Church would travel down the same path as the Episcopal Church in adopting moderfn secularism, rather than the traditional faith as passed down by the Apostles. You see, I had been an interested outsider observing the results of Vatican II and the confusion that followed. I was watching TV when the dissident nun took the podium and embarrassed John Paul II during one of his U.S. visits. I saw (and read) the disgruntled priests and religious who seemed to be frequently in the media.

My patient correspondent pointed out the obvious. The Catholic Church, unlike Protestants, has a Teaching Authority - a Magisterium, and a Pope. The rules may bend, but in the final analysis, the ancient faith is there to pull everyone, despite our rebellious nature, back to Christ. The Truth is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. And the Church is the repository of Truth.

I re-read 16th century British history. This time from sources otheer than Anglican. Certain things jumped out at me. Too many to list here, but, for instance, I was never taught that Henry VIII and the Archbishop he appointed, Thomas Cranmer, continued to believe in Transubstantiation during the 14 years of his reign that followed his split with Rome. When not killing his wives or nullifying his marriages, he and Cranmer happily hanged every consubstantiation-believing Lutheran they could get their hands on. When Henry died and the sickly boy-king Edward VI took the throne, Cranmer did a 180 degree turn and began to hang those who believed in the Real Presence. After the short, sad reign of Mary, consubstantiation became the official Anglican position. (See Article XXVIII of the 39 articles in every Book of Common Prayer). Why did it become Anglican teaching? What's he best way to separate from the Catholic Church? Answer: Deny the basic tenet of that faith.. In any case, the line of Apostolic Succession was broken when Henry began appointing bishops himself. Therefore, the truth dawned on me (slow learner that I am) that Anglican Sacraments are invalid.

As mentioned, my dear wife of 47 years has always been two steps ahead of me. While I fret and dither, researching and thinking, she goes straight to a decision. Maybe now I'll learn from her. No, probably not! Anyhow, in September, 2005 we enrolled in RCIA, by far the oldest in the class. We learned a lot from our wonderful deacon. I'm still learning. You can teach an old dog new tricks! Finally, Easter Vigil, 2006 was a great moment for us. What a gift Jesus gave us with His Church! Sometimes, I think that many life-long Catholics don't appreciate what they were given.

One more thing. I wrote a seven page letter to my sweet Baptist sister (age 73), explaining in detail why we converted. Her response? The best one-liner I ever could get. She simply wrote, "That's O.K., we'll all be together in Heaven." To that I say; with God's grace, AMEN!



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 Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 10:03 am

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James,

I enjoyed "following along" with your story. I qualify for #1 as a former Episcopalian and I'm creeping up on #2 at 59. I too became very disenchanted with the Episcopal Church and the road they have headed down. It truly made me appreciate the beautiful constancy and unchanging truth that the Catholic Church teaches. What a comfort to lean on her.

It was Mother Teresa of Calcutta that first drew me to the Catholic faith. She was such a beautiful example of Christian faith, service, sacrifice, humility, and love. And she was the product of the Catholic Church. There had to be something to it then. That started me on my journey 17 years ago. It's been a bumpy road with a few wrong turns. God has had to "jab" me several times, but I'm back on track now for good for which I am so thankful.

I'm curious what you have read to learn about 16th century British history. I'm presently reading H. W. Crocker III's "Triumph - The Power and the Glory of the Catholic CHrurch" and "A History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland" by William Cobbett. It's shocking that this history has been so whitewashed.

Do you wonder if there are many more Episcopalians who have just had enough now with how far astray the Episcopal Church has gone? Where are they all going? I hope they too have found the Truth in the Chatholic Church.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 12:07 pm

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Hello Ruthie.

I also read Cobbett's book. It is available from the Coming Home Network's catalog. Most of the rest was from on-line secular sources. Thanks for mentioning the other book.

I understand that quite a few from the Anglican tradition have made the move to the Catholic Church, but I am surprised that more have not done so. If they took the time to do their homework they would, but that anti-Rome bias is so ingrained that it is hard for many. That is why they are moving into one sort of Anglican Tradition or another. It is just in their comfort zone. Meanwhile, the Episcopal Church has declined from a high of three and a half million in the mid-1960's to claiming only about 2 million today with an average Sunday attendance of less than a million.

It is my prayer that somday these faithful, traditional Anglicans can get their act together and open a dialogue with Rome for Reconcilliation.

In our diocese we do have a former Episcopal Priest who is now the Pastor of a Catholic Church. He made the move under the Pastoral Provision Act. I understand it sort of blew the minds of long-time Catholics when they discovered that their Priest has a wife. I think I read somewhere that in the U.S. there are around 80 former Episcopal Priests that are now Catholic Clergy.

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Hello Everyone,

My husband was Episcopalian and his mother, brother and sister-in-law are still in the Episcopal Church.  Those three are die-hards and it would take a miracle for them to leave.  My husband's sister is currently not attending church, due to the most recent shut-down of their Episcopalian Church.  As I've mentioned on other threads, the priest of this closed down church was a homosexual. 

About 6 years ago or so, the female priest at their parish passed away.  This homosexual priest was assigned to the parish.  As you can imagine, a great number of the parishners were not thrilled with this.  Some of them left to attend other Episcopal churches and others just left to go who knows where.  But my in-laws steadfastly supported this homosexual priest.  Eventually, some of the parishners, along with my husband's family, left that parish to start a new one with the homsexual priest.  I don't think that parish ever really experienced much growth. 

My husband has tried on many occasions to convince his mother and family to leave the Episcopal Church, citing the numerous examples of liberalism.  His mother is especially loyal to the Episcopal Church and has stated that this is the church she was raised in and would never leave.  My husband, who is a staunch Protestant Evangelical, can only feel sadness for them.  I also am disappointed that they refuse to see how corrupt that church has become. 

For awhile, their loyalty to the Episcopalian priest caused a rift between our families.  About six years ago, we attended a Fourth of July picnic at my brother-in-law's house.  That was the first time we met this priest and also his "lover."  My husband was repulsed and let his family know how he felt.  The priest's two children from his former marriage were also present at the picnic, and it was so upsetting to consider how confusing and contradictory a message this was sending to them.  For a number of years afterward (until recently), my husband's family would invite the priest and his lover to their home on holidays, knowing full well that we would not attend if they were there.  We would not have drawn this line if they were lay homosexuals, but we wanted no part of a supposed man of God proudly displaying the banner of his perversion. 

Since the recent break up of the church, my in-laws attend an Episcopal Church that has a heterosexual priest and they don't know what has happened to the "gay" priest.  Who knows how long before this church boasts of a "gay" pastor?  It seems that the Episcopalian Church in the United States is a haven for those homosexual priests who have felt dissenfranchised.

God willing, the entire church will either completely fold, or there will be a spiritual awakening among its members.

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Uh oh, once somebody attending a Protestant church starts watching Marcus Grodi's show and read books like "Triumph," he or she will NEVER be the same.

But a lot better off! :D



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No kidding. EWTN rocks!

We've been Catholics for two years  but recently started listening to Fr. Corapi's 48-CD set on the Catechism after a good friend gave it to us for Christmas.....That is also a life-changing experience!



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Lisa,

You're getting the best info from the best speaker! What's especially wonderful about Fr. Corapi is his ability to reach every sinner's heart with the reassurance that there's no sin that God couldn't wash away (save for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, but that's a whole different ball game.) After all, Fr. Corapi was in a hole of his own making, and he - with God's and Mary's help - helped himself to climb out of that hole to become the man he is today.

Stick with the man. And he IS the ideal manly kind of man we need more of in the priesthood today.
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Thanks for your encouragement.

Funny you should mention vocations to the priesthood....the friend who gave us the 48 CDs wants to do just that! I pray that he will discern God's will for him. I think he has a real call.

"Blessed is the man who walks not in the cousels of the wicked,nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of God." (Psalm 1)



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:)

Sorry I forgot to welcome you to the gang here at the forum. It's a lot of good clean fun here, and we do our best to raise the banal to beauty and the mundane to sublime, with more than a dollop of humor added here and there to keep us from getting too serious. Even God has a sense of humor!

Your friend seems already on his way if he passed along a hefty serving of Fr. Corapi to you. If the Vatican really wants to shake the USCCB up, all it has to do is make Fr. John a bishop and assign him to a key position with a lot of oversight clout on vocations, litigurgical matters or catechesis. On the other hand, I'm sure he could accomplish a lot more for the Lord doing just what he's doing now -- giving the Faithful a taste of that REAL old time religion, Vatican/Magisterium style.

I happen to resonate to Fr. Corapi on a personal level. Not long before I was most blessed to meet my then-future wife, I was climbing back from a self-created tour in hell. Thanks to immaturity, a lack of real direction, self-discipline and no lack of partying, boozing (which led to three DWIs in six years), letting myself go downhill (not my weight or waistband, though), and not making the best use of a college education my parents paid for -- I was a bum. Not homeless, but nevertheless a bum in both my eyes and my parents. Nor could I blame them for thinking that.

Like Fr. Corapi's mother, my parents still harbored hope. My dad even mentioned possible law school and at one time (before I met Ruth) dropped a not-so-subtle hint about the clergy. "I thought you'd be the one who'd join the priesthood" line. To which I promptly replied that while honored that he thought that much of me, becoming a priest wasn't in my cross-hairs by a wide country mile. Still a vocation, I became a married man and father of four wonderful children.

If anybody thinks marriage thinks Catholics overdo it by considering matrimony a vocation, perhaps they should compare the divorce stats of Catholics in the north and evangelical Bible Belt Protestants down South.
Making marriage a sacrament goes a long way towards adding more sticking power to marriage. We have to answer to a higher power than the local JP, or an Elvis impersonator working a "marriage chapel" in Vegas.

This was brought home to me by my (now long deceased) dad when I was in a rather selfish and pouty mood concerning my headstrong desire to become a bigshot political reporter in Washington, with the usual "no matter what it took" attitude thrown in for good measure. Seeing my wife, with our first born, was less than plussed, and pleased with my ambitions, he promptly put me on the spot with one sentence: "Listen buddy, you don't have a career, you have a VOCATION."

My dad would've loved watching Fr. Corapi. And, I'm sure a lot of dads, and moms, not to mention young wives seeking to find ways to rein in their still headstrong young husbands. (Not break 'em, just rein 'em.) What I like about this priest is his ability to lay it on the line real quick.

Speaking of real quick, I've gotta move along. The same first-born wants to use this computer for class work at UMass where he's graduating in bus. mgmt. this spring.

I'll pray for your friend's discernment and welcome!
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Thanks. 

And I love your idea about Fr. John becoming a bishop.

Let's pray for that too!



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Thank you.  After we get a bishop's staff and mitre for Fr. Corapi, we'll work on getting Nigerian Anglican Archbishop Peter Akinola to follow Cardinal Newman and bring a big, HUGE flock of Anglicans back into the True Fold.

"Presiding Bishop" Jefferts-Schori would think we were doing her a favor.  If that's the case, I hope she never visits any of the casinos in her home diocese, lest she wants to lose her money along with the denomination she's greatly responsible for crumbling around her.

A switch by Akinola would be the ultimate statement any prominent Anglican could give in these sorry days Anglicans across the world are enduring.

I'll just settle for a mitre for Fr. Corapi.  That's plenty enough to think and smile about. :)

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God's peace.  I, too, am a refugee from the Episcopal Church, having made the switch in July of 2004.  Not long after my conversion, I was kicked off of a conservative Anglican listserve called VirtueOnline because of my pro-Catholic postings.  I had adopted a monster-squid avatar as a statement about Ms. Jefferts-Schori, the ex-squid biologist who now "rules" the Episcopal Church, and I dragged it with me into this listserve so that any of my former comrades might recognize it and me.

By the way, my signature derives from Br. Carlo Carretto, the late Catholic writer of the Little Brothers of Jesus whose writings gently led me to Rome.  I adopted his name as my confirmation name, too.  Blessings, ~Br_Carlo~


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Hi James,

Maybe we should start a club of "oldie newbies". My sponsor was in his late 60s when he was accepted into the RCC. I was 70 when I had my Easter Vigil. I think there might be an advantage to being in the group that remembers "The Lone Ranger" or "The Green Hornet". The minute I walk in the door to take the Holy Eucharist to a shut-in and we see the color of each others' hair, we have an instant bond. :)   :)   :)



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Dear Br Carlo,

I like the term refugee. The EC is truly an occupied and enslaved nation. I have seen many friends--clergy & lay--struggle against the encroachments of Schori's kind.

It's too bad VirtueOnline pushed you out.  Of course they are worried  that there eventually won't be anyone left in their camp. I have visited their site lots of times but only after it was already 'too late' for me. I was angry and saddened by the situation in S. Carolina (though it wasn't surprising really.) I have some friends and family who are traditional Anglicans (my dad is a priest). I feel their frustration!

When I came "across the Tiber" the Catholic/Anglo-Catholic differences seemed trivial compared to the stucture and order that I was so attracted to in Rome. I have learned a lot since then....and I'm still glad to be where I am.

Ciao!

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Good idea BodRod. My  favorite was Sgt. Preston of the Royal Mounted Police and his wonder dog, King. It came on a 4 P.M. just after I got off the school bus. Awhile back I found some tapes of Lone Ranger episodes and bought them for my grandsons. They were bored in 10 minutes - no visuals! Oh well!

Br._Carlo, I used to log onto VirtueOnline. What an angry bunch of folks! David V. keeps getting excited about A New Deadline for the EC and then, surprise, surprise, nothing ever happens.:(

I was zapped also from that site after I posted a very pleasant 16th century history lesson - which wasn't the party line we were all taught in Anglicanville. It is so hard for them to get over their prejudices - Sometimes I think they enjoy staying and simmering in their misery. We'll just continue to pray for them.

I like the dream of Peter Akinola converting. He would make a great Catholic Bishop. Let's pray for that also!

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JasPax wrote: Good idea BodRod. My  favorite was Sgt. Preston of the Royal Mounted Police and his wonder dog, King.
No "Sky King" and "Superman" fans?  "Rin-Tin-Tin"?  "Lassie"?  "The Rifleman"?

BTW, it was "Sgt. Preston of the Yukon" who was a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, along with his wonder dog, King.

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I think you're talking early T.V. I go back to radio. I was almost out of High School before we got a T.V.  (with rabbit ears) and by then I was too interested in girls to pay much attention to it.

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"Who knows what evil lurkes in the hearts of men?" ................................. 

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"The Shadow knows..."

I think we're waaay off the subject. My fault.

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JasPax wrote: I think you're talking early T.V. I go back to radio.
Yes, sorry, I was talking about TV.  I am not quite old enough to remember radio drama except as a "special event".

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