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Tina in Ashburn
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| First Name: | Tina | | Gender: | Female | | Faith History: | Cradle Roman Catholic, Ukranian Catholic, presently practicing as Roman Latin ... |
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Posted: Mon Jun 25th, 2007 11:41 am |
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http://www.choraltreasure.org/
"An online streaming radio station devoted to playing great sacred music growing from the Catholic tradition, including (but not limited to) Greogian chant and polyphony."
I found this website link on musicasacra.com which is a fabulous website full of musical treasures of information, articles, teachings, and links.
Being fully Catholic not only means understanding the Mass but also learning about the Church's music. Music and Liturgy are integrated as one and you'll understand why the more you learn.
By the way, the Catholic Church does not have an official hymn book. Rather, the official songbook is the Graduale Romanum which are Mass parts set to music. The Church recognizes Mass parts as what should be sung - hymns are supposed to be used only as a substitute for a Mass part. For instance the typical "opening hymn" is a replacement for the "Introit", Communion hymns replace the "Communio", and so on. The IDEAL is to sing the Mass propers, not hymns.
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Annie
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Posted: Mon Jun 25th, 2007 12:40 pm |
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Oh man, I love it. The removal of the traditional music from the Mass really makes the experience less vertical for me. I love to sing but not modern music, please.
There are a bunch of websites devoted to the traditional music and one even has directions on how to read "square notes."
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Credo Catholic
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Posted: Mon Jun 25th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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| Dear Tina, thank you, thank you, thank you! What wonderful music, I marked the website so I could get to it easily again.
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Darlene
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Posted: Tue Jun 26th, 2007 07:15 pm |
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Tina in Ashburn wrote: http://www.choraltreasure.org/
"An online streaming radio station devoted to playing great sacred music growing from the Catholic tradition, including (but not limited to) Greogian chant and polyphony."
I found this website link on musicasacra.com which is a fabulous website full of musical treasures of information, articles, teachings, and links.
Being fully Catholic not only means understanding the Mass but also learning about the Church's music. Music and Liturgy are integrated as one and you'll understand why the more you learn.
By the way, the Catholic Church does not have an official hymn book. Rather, the official songbook is the Graduale Romanum which are Mass parts set to music. The Church recognizes Mass parts as what should be sung - hymns are supposed to be used only as a substitute for a Mass part. For instance the typical "opening hymn" is a replacement for the "Introit", Communion hymns replace the "Communio", and so on. The IDEAL is to sing the Mass propers, not hymns.
Dear Tina,
Could you explain more precisely what you mean? (by the part I have in bold and underlined) Are you saying that hymns aren't an acceptable part of the Mass? Are there certain parts that should always be sung by the priest? I ask, because I have noticed that the Mass on EWTN is different in some ways, than the Masses I have attended in my area. I'm new at this "Catholic thing" so I wouldn't know what is off or inappropriate in a Mass.
Darlene
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Tina in Ashburn
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Posted: Tue Jun 26th, 2007 09:56 pm |
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Dear Darlene,
Hymns are allowed at Mass.
No parts of the Mass HAVE to be sung.
ALL parts of the Mass CAN be sung [may be some minor exceptions here, unsure].
If the priest doesn't sing at some point, then no one should sing.
The Canon [Eucharistic Prayer] of the Mass, if sung, can only be sung by the priest. The Gospel is only sung by the priest or sometimes a consecrated deacon.
The most preferred method, the ideal, is to sing the Mass. If you are gonna sing, singing the Mass parts themselves is most preferred. To substitute hymns for some Mass parts instead of some of the prayers is a secondary and allowed choice.
Its called a "low Mass" where no singing occurs. The "High Mass" is entirely sung. Then there has sprouted up forms of Mass somewhere in between where varying amounts of prayers/hymns are sung. If there is a lot of singing and incense and bells, it is commonly referred to as a "High Mass".
From a practical standpoint, one Mass a day - or a week - would be a “High Mass”. Supporting singers and musicians can be stretched only so far! A quiet Low Mass is acceptable and common.
Hymns are only replacements for certain parts of the Mass.
Hymns have always existed as parts of other liturgies and devotions like processions, May crownings, Litanies, Adoration, etc. The Tantum Ergo, used at Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, dates back to Roman times.
Around the Reformation, hymns got more popular because the reformers no longer had Mass parts to sing. Without a Mass, the reformers created prayer meetings with an emphasis on singing and preaching. They wrote new songs, they couldn't use the existing Catholic hymns about Mary, the Saints, or the Eucharist. Somehow this influenced Catholic practices.
It seems the Church is still fighting this influence in spite of knowing that the Mass is what is important. Logically, it is more important to sing the Mass parts, than a hymn. Hymns are secondary in importance.
Let me know if you need more clarification!
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Tina
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