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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 01:00 pm |
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With all the talk on the boards recently of a Latin Mass, it seems timely.
I have wanted to learn Latin for a few years, it's quite cool in certain homeschool circles you know. Not at all geeky. But, alas, I am a procrastinator.  And just haven't got around to it.
Well, most hs'ers seem to recommend the Rosetta Stone http://www.rosettastone.com/ program. But what a lot of people do not know is that it may just be available through your library!
Here in Ohio, you can obtain a Columbus Library card (no matter where you are in the state) and use it to access the online materials and downloads from the library. Rosetta Stone is supposed to be one of those things. But remember I procrastinate, so I've never actually checked it out for myself  I do have a card, and tried to download audio books, though. But it didn't work due to compatibility issues. To bad, too.
Anyway, other hs families in other states have found the same thing to be true!
So, hurry quick, run out and see if it's true for you!
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 01:03 pm |
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 01:13 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: I will Ali, soon as I pay that 15 year old overdue fine!
LOL, Marsha. I am a library abuser, a very bad patron. Our fines have been so high that I seriously could've bought the library ladies lunch, twice!
I have three cards to the local library I rotate through (mine and the kids'). You know, which ever one I can find on my way out the door. Or whichever one has a lower fine. You can't check material out if it's higher than $3.
I've been going to this branch for 30 years. And two of the librarians are the same ones from when I was young. They know me and they love my kids. They hold new material for us, and have even given us extra copies of books. And the bestest thing they do for me is waive the fine. I never ask, and am always prepared to pay.
I also always take them a cookie tray at Christmas
So what I would do, is return and register under a fake name. Or maybe use a husbands (are you even married?) card. They'll never catch on.
Or just beg. Get on your knees and beg for mercy. 15 years?!?! What were you thinking? ROFLOL
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 01:24 pm |
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Ali wrote: 15 years?!?! What were you thinking? ROFLOL
 I don't know! Time flies?
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 03:05 am |
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Credo Catholic wrote: I will Ali, soon as I pay that 15 year old overdue fine!
I'll admit that I haven't been to a library in years, but the last time I looked, the maximum fine in Louisiana is 50 cents. It's more if you never returned the book. I think it maxes out at $5.00. But like I say, it's been a long time.
Distance was a factor, but they opened a branch a couple of miles from my house just a few months ago. I guess I'll have to go visit one Saturday.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:07 am |
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Uh oh!  Here in Virginia, keeping a book overdue is a VERY serious matter! They can even take you to court and charge you with a misdemeanor! The librarians wanted it to be capital punishment but, thankfully, those legislators with overdue books prevailed!  Attachment: Librarian.jpg (Downloaded 51 times)
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:19 am |
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Here in Yuma they stop letting you borrow books if you owe $5.00- yeah ask me how I know However my problem is that I read A LOT and visit the library at least once a week often two or three times- I borrow anywhere from 8 to 10 books at a time. I take which ever books are finished back and borrow more so I might have a dozen books at home(not counting the kids' and my husband's) with 4 or 5 different due dates. The best thing that ever happened to me was the ability to track and RENEW books on line ( up to twice per book). Now then I read in the bath at night- my luxury reading time a holdover from growning up with a large family and 1 bathroom . What happens when you doze off-well you BUY the book- I also keep a book in the car, and one on the counter so that I can read while I cook- now it is better not to do this if you are pan frying with splatter or cooking tomato sauce OR you may end up buying the book!!!
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Ali
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 10:24 am |
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kimdyuma wrote: Here in Yuma they stop letting you borrow books if you owe $5.00- yeah ask me how I know However my problem is that I read A LOT and visit the library at least once a week often two or three times- I borrow anywhere from 8 to 10 books at a time. I take which ever books are finished back and borrow more so I might have a dozen books at home(not counting the kids' and my husband's) with 4 or 5 different due dates. The best thing that ever happened to me was the ability to track and RENEW books on line ( up to twice per book). Now then I read in the bath at night- my luxury reading time a holdover from growing up with a large family and 1 bathroom. What happens when you doze off-well you BUY the book- I also keep a book in the car, and one on the counter so that I can read while I cook- now it is better not to do this if you are pan frying with splatter or cooking tomato sauce OR you may end up buying the book!!!
Oh, yeah. We are at the library usually twice a week. And we've more than 50 books out at a time. The library is my main source for hs materials. Plus audio books my kids go through like water, and I read a lot for enjoyment, too. I don't leave the house without a book. Not that I read it everywhere, but you never know when you'll have a couple minutes to read a page or two I also do the book on the counter during dinner prep, lol.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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| How about at a stop light- telling your kids to let you know when the light turns green and of course the bank, grocery store and post office!
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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| My wife is also an avid reader. Even so, she saw something, a while back, that shocked her. One morning she was driving to work when she saw an suv, on the highway ahead of her, weaving all over the place. As she approached the vehicle, cautiously trying to get around it, she saw a woman driving, steering with one hand and HOLDING HER BOOK, READING WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE ROAD as she went along! As my wife managed to pass by without getting hit, in her rearview mirror she saw the woman still weaving down the road, lost in her book!
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 04:35 pm |
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NOt me -honest- I drive a taurus- even I am not that bad
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:20 pm |
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And we've more than 50 books out at a time.
Wow! Is that some sort of record? 
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:24 pm |
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To go back to the original thought, Latin is a fantastic language to learn. I took it in college for no particular reason (I was tired of Spanish, which I studied in high school). We had very small classes (how many people want to learn Latin?) and in my large state school it was a very scholarly small-college atmosphere. I liked it so much, I minored in it!
When you learn Latin, your English gets much more precise. Word order in (Classical) Latin is not as important as word endings/parts of speech, so you learn grammar at a much more intense level, and can toss around terms like "ablative absolute" and "gerundive" without a care. And learning another language after Latin is easier, because conjugation and declension are necessary in most languages other than English.
If I wanted to learn Latin in a classroom atmosphere, I'd consider auditing a class at a nearby college. Auditing is cheaper because you don't get a grade beyond pass/fail, and your own sense of responsibility will keep you going without a grade at the end. I think it would be hard to learn Latin on your own, unless you are skilled in learning foreign languages. Classical Latin is a "read" language, more than a spoken one: I'd want a teacher. I think recorded teaching of Latin in particular is a mistake, again, because of the word order and word ending issues.
I have had an itch to brush up my classical Latin, which gives me the tools to read and understand Vulgate. I've been out of college a looooooong time, but I kept most of my textbooks and dictionaries, so I can make it my summer project (maybe after achieving world peace, a perfect figure and the ability to turn a cartwheel).
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:36 pm |
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| Is Italian the closest modern language to Latin? I would love to be able to understand the masses from Rome without the interpreter, and I also like the sound of the language itself.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:45 pm |
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| Isn't there two types of Latin? Seems like someone told me that before, and the Ecclesiastical Latin the Church uses, is pronounce more like Italian. Wonder if they make learning CDs just for Ecclesiastical Latin, and for learning the Mass and other traditional prayers?
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:51 pm |
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PassthePeace1 wrote: Isn't there two types of Latin? Seems like someone told me that before, and the Ecclesiastical Latin the Church uses, is pronounce more like Italian. Wonder if they make learning CDs just for Ecclesiastical Latin, and for learning the Mass and other traditional prayers?
Ecclesiastical Latin is a little less complicated than Classical Latin, that is its a little less archaic. However I have found that the little latin i do remember has been very helpful in following latin masses.
And yes having a teacher as a help is invaluable! Once you get into it and can manuver around with the charts and parts of speach there are some very good parsing sites online.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 07:51 pm |
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| Yes, when I studied Latin in college I learned that there is classical Latin and Church Latin. Basically, as far as I remember, only the pronunciation is different.
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 08:08 pm |
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cyanheaven wrote: PassthePeace1 wrote: Isn't there two types of Latin? Seems like someone told me that before, and the Ecclesiastical Latin the Church uses, is pronounce more like Italian. Wonder if they make learning CDs just for Ecclesiastical Latin, and for learning the Mass and other traditional prayers?
Ecclesiastical Latin is a little less complicated than Classical Latin, that is its a little less archaic. However I have found that the little latin i do remember has been very helpful in following latin masses.
And yes having a teacher as a help is invaluable! Once you get into it and can manuver around with the charts and parts of speach there are some very good parsing sites online.
Well, I am all for less complicated....but I really need something that has an audio, where I can hear the word pronounced...slooooowly. Otherwise, if I do it on my own, everything will come out with a very heavy Texas accent...
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Posted: Thu May 8th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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The pronunciation is different, yes, for instance, the soft "c" is used (Cicero is not "Kickero" but "Sissero").
The word order is more fixed. Vulgate tends to follow a subject/verb/direct object order, unless there's a need for emphasis or for rhythm that throws a word or words to the front of a sentence. It's easier to learn.
Funny you mentioned it: when I was in college, deep in Latin and really starting to be able to think in it, I heard Latin from the TV downstairs and understood it, and then realized I heard the midnight Mass from the Vatican and what I was hearing was Italian, which I essentially understood without strain. That was in a limited context, though, terms I was already familiar with.
I forgot to say you can buy Bibles with the Vulgate Latin on one page and the English on the other and enlarge your vocabulary that way, too.
No matter what you study, it's a very good brain-stretcher and connects you to the church in a historical way.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 12:49 am |
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Therese Z wrote: I forgot to say you can buy Bibles with the Vulgate Latin on one page and the English on the other and enlarge your vocabulary that way, too.
When I took Latin, I was told the difference in pronounciation was between Classical Latin and Germanic Latin, the latter coming through the Holy Roman Empire after the fall of Rome. The classic difference in pronunciation is veni, vidi, vici versus weni, widi, wici.
I still have my interlinear translation of Caesar's Gallic Wars along with my original Vulgate bible from my seminary days. I'm not sure where they are, but I know I still have 'em!
My first-year Latin teacher used the Germanic pronunciation, but since he was from about 20 miles down the bayou from where I live now, he had the absolutely most serious Cajun accent you've ever heard (I've ever heard!), so you can about imagine how we ended up pronouncing Latin. My second-year Latin teacher, now-Archbishop John Favalora of Miami, was classically educated in Rome!
I ended the two years being able to completely understand the Latin of the liturgy but still not really sure how to pronounce anything!
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 05:25 am |
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The Holy Father's German accent really comes through when he speaks Latin....so for us accentually enhanced southerns, I guess we have no excuses. 
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 11:25 am |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: And we've more than 50 books out at a time.
Wow! Is that some sort of record?
LOL, I don't know. I do know that was above my limit, and each and ever time after that they had to approve the rest of our books. A PITB to be sure. And they barely all fit in the Library Bag. Hey, you try carrying that many books!
What is truly amazing, though, is that we don't lose or ruin our books. A miracle to be sure, lol.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 04:10 pm |
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CajunRick wrote: The classic difference in pronunciation is veni, vidi, vici versus weni, widi, wici.
I was actually taught in college that even in Classical Latin the "V" is pronounced as a "W."
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 06:16 pm |
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cyanheaven wrote: CajunRick wrote: The classic difference in pronunciation is veni, vidi, vici versus weni, widi, wici.
I was actually taught in college that even in Classical Latin the "V" is pronounced as a "W."
Yeah, that was my experience many,many years ago when I took Latin for 2 years in high school. Learning Latin helped me to learn English! Many times I can get the sense of a word by seeing the Latin roots in it.
BTW, the 'Romance languages' all have their origins in Latin. That is, Italian, Spanish, French, and Portuguese.
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Posted: Fri May 9th, 2008 06:34 pm |
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Heh yeah I will have to admit that learning Latin did help my English as well. Sometimes I wonder if that would be enough reason to start studying it again! 
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