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Posted: Wed Jan 24th, 2007 02:16 am |
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http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/archives.htm
Links to great sermons on The Catholic Faith by Fr. John Hardon
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html
Link to section on Eucharistic Miracles
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Posted: Wed Jan 24th, 2007 10:12 am |
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Greetings,
<<<He who sings, prays twice>>>
What does that statement mean? 
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Posted: Wed Jan 24th, 2007 10:40 pm |
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I'm glad you asked that question. I've been thinking about that too. I think it means that when I sing Our Father once, then, I have just prayed it twice.
To me, it means that by singing a prayer, or singing in the choir, I double the prayers of Mass, and a sung Mass is accomplished twice at the same time, so that doubles the prayers and the blessings. (So, if I sing The Rosary once, then that should count as twice, then I can eventually make up for not even knowing it until this year.)
I like to add, "if you sing in tongues, then you pray Infinity" since you are letting God pray through you by praying God's will in Heaven-sent tongues at the time He requests it and with His Words and by His Spirit.
To me, it confirms my calling to "sing a sermon". Some folks will not accept the spoken truth, but they will accept it if sung in a song. Think of how many folks know "Jesus loves me this I know, for The Bible tells me so..."
I like to add, if you sing in Heaven-sent tongues, then you pray infinity times.
See what the Catechism says (quoted below).
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http://www.saint-mike.org/apologetics/qa/Answers/Church_History/h020303Parise.html
The quote which St. Augustine actually said was:"For he that singeth praise, not only praiseth, but only praiseth with gladness: he that singeth praise, not only singeth, but also loveth him of whom he singeth. In praise, there is the speaking forth of one confessing; in singing, the affection of one loving."
(St. Augustine, Commentary on Psalm 73, 1) Apparently, this has been abridged to "He who sings prays twice" over the centuries.
The quote is referenced in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 1156:1156 "The musical tradition of the universal Church is a treasure of inestimable value, greater even than that of any other art. The main reason for this pre-eminence is that, as a combination of sacred music and words, it forms a necessary or integral part of solemn liturgy." The composition and singing of inspired psalms, often accompanied by musical instruments, were already closely linked to the liturgical celebrations of the Old Covenant. The Church continues and develops this tradition: "Address . . . one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart." "He who sings prays twice." 21
The corresponding footnote references St. Augustine, En. in Ps. 72, 1: PL 36, 914;. (The reason why the Catechism says Psalm 72 instead of Psalm 73, is because the Catechism is using Psalm numbering from the Septuagint, which fused two of the earlier psalms, meaning the numbering of the later psalms is out of sync with the usual modern listing). [Check out Psalm 73.]
... keep in mind how frequently the Scriptures tell us to sing to The Lord, or tell of the saints to sing to God. A ... sample of verses follows: Psalm 9:2; 30:4, 32:11; 33:1-3; 42:8; 66:1-4; 68:4, 24-26; 71:22-23; 81:1-2; 89:1; 92:1-4; 98:1; 100:2; 105:2; 108:1; 138:1-5; 144:9; 147:1; 149:1-5.
Eph 5:19; Col 3:16; Revelation 5:9-10; 12-13; 15: 3-4.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24th, 2007 10:56 pm |
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GoFisher wrote: I'm glad you asked that question. I've been thinking about that too. I think it means that when I sing Our Father once, then, I have just prayed it twice.
The traditional meaning is that when we sing, we not only pray in words, but using the instrument God gave us, the human voice.
Many of the Eastern Churches do not permit instrumental music at all. In the Byzantine Catholic Church, the Divine Liturgy is sung a cappella from beginning to end. It is not allowed to be read or recited.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25th, 2007 03:22 am |
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PSALMS = SONGS and there are 150 of those!
I heard that the Rosary used to have 150 Hail Marys because there were 150 Psalms but then they changed it to the current form with 53 Hail Marys during the Rosary. SO... when do we get to SING the rosary? I kind of sing it now, but wonder if someone wrote a short tune for it. Maybe I will find one, or WRITE ONE.
Rick, you forgot to mention that spoken prayers use your voice too. hee hee
Of course, I can pray faster with my thoughts than my mouth.
Good thing God reads our hearts and answers our prayers before we even ask him. Well, that's what He told us via Saint Jeremiah.
"Sing a new song to The Lord." (even if the words are old?) Jesus IS the Word.
Hey, I wonder what Augustine's favorite songs were.
It's so late now, I should sing myself a lullaby, and get some sleep.
Hey, this has become the Sing and Pray Twice forum instead of the reference for John Hardon's sermons note. Can we change the title of it and move the reference???
Last edited on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 03:29 am by GoFisher
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Posted: Thu Jan 25th, 2007 09:43 am |
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GoFisher wrote: Hey, this has become the Sing and Pray Twice forum instead of the reference for John Hardon's sermons note. Can we change the title of it and move the reference???
No. I can't take some messages from a thread and move them to a new thread; the software won't allow it. That's why it's so important to stay on topic, and to start a new thread when it drifts away from the original.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25th, 2007 09:48 am |
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So Rick, can I extrapolate this concept into meaning that when I sit at my organ and play the tunes in the Journey Song Book, I am praying? I know I get a positive and refreshed feeling when I do that, so maybe I am doing much more than just spending time and annoying the neighbors! 
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Posted: Thu Jan 25th, 2007 02:28 pm |
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BodRod wrote: So Rick, can I extrapolate this concept into meaning that when I sit at my organ and play the tunes in the Journey Song Book, I am praying? I know I get a positive and refreshed feeling when I do that, so maybe I am doing much more than just spending time and annoying the neighbors!
Absolutely. Any time you devote to God is prayer. When we teach our children our faith, that's prayer, too. The very loose definition of prayer is communication with God, and we certainly do that when we sing. I consider any service to God prayer as well, so volunteering at a food bank or in church is a form of prayer as well. And if you annoy the neighbors, maybe they'll get a faith lesson, too. 
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