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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 02:56 am |
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Hello
I'm looking for a book or books that have the teaching of the ECF's wrightings separated by topic.
Such As: Sacraments, Trinity, Church Authority or even in more detail.
I have the three volume set of "The Faith of the Early Church Father's" by Jurgens and I have studied and marked them up highlighting topics like baptism, trinity, eucharists, etc.
But I was wondering if anyone had compiled a complete book already separated?
I thought it would be handy while discussing with someone, I could go by topic and be able to show them which and how many ECF's had said about a certain topic.
I hope that makes sense
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BBT
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 08:32 am |
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Betty, the nearest I can think of at the moment is the on-line Fathers Know Best section at the Catholic Answers website.
David
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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 01:15 pm |
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I've been building a collection of books called Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture. Each book deals with either part of a book (Genesis, for instance is covered in two books) or with several smaller books (some of the New Testament epistles are combined into one book). It's published by InterVarsity Press and appears to be extremely ecumenical in nature. If it's helpful, Fr. Richard John Neuhaus endorses this series, as does Avery Cardinal Dulles, along with the Metropolitan Theodosius, Primate of the Orthodox Church in the USA.
So, while it's not thematically arranged, if you have a good concordance, you can use this series to do some thorough study.
Unfortunately, it's expensive. They're costing me about $30.- a piece.
Debi
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 05:15 pm |
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David & Debi
Thank You both for the suggestions, I printed them out so I could search further.
When I find books I want to buy, I give the Name & Author to our local Catholic Book Store. She's such a nice lady and I feel I should support her.
God Bless
BBT
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Posted: Fri Oct 13th, 2006 12:11 am |
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In addition to what the others have posted, I just purchased a copy of - " A Dictionary Of Early Christian Beliefs" - A Reference Guide to More Than 700 Topics Discussed by The Early Church Fathers, - David Bercot Editor, Hendrickson Publishers, 1998, 5th printing 2003. ISBN 1-56563-357-1.
As a backround, David Bercot is an Anglican Priest and Attorney. It was on sale at Barnes & Noble, and I got it more for the alphabetical subject listing and references, - while realizing it lacks an Imprimatur, - but it is very helpful in locating relevant quotes from the Church Fathers.
I do not know of a Catholic version of this type of format published at this time. Perhaps you might be able to see a description on Amazon or B& Noble.
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Sun Oct 15th, 2006 12:16 am |
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Thank You Too mg57
Can I just ask, What is a Imprimatur?
At the risk of being very ignorant, Which in all honesty I am.
I had not read one book since HS(1981) until 3 years ago when I became Catholic. Know I read constantly and cannot hardly get enough. I just still have some very simpleton questions to ask.
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BBT
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mg57
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Posted: Sun Oct 15th, 2006 06:38 pm |
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Hi Betty -
No questions on the CHN board are silly etc., - an Imprimatur is the approval by the local Bishop for the content in a book that presents the Catholic faith. It is usually accompanied by a Nihil Obstat, which means the book in question has been examined and is found to free of error concerning the Catholic faith.
These two items are to be understood in terms of the responsibility that the Church leadership has to accurately present Catholic teaching, and not to be seen as a stifling censorship.
If one is already Catholic, or is inquiring / studying the Faith, then they have the right to authentic and accurate information.
BTW, since my last post, I found another book on the subject, - a Catholic one, - "The Teachings Of The Church Fathers" ed. by John Willis S.J., published by Ignatius Press. The book contains references to the early Church Fathers under 250 doctrinal topics, 500 pgs.
God bless.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16th, 2006 07:30 pm |
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Not to add more questions to this one, but has anyone used the CD-Rom of the Early Church Fathers and would it answer her questions?? I saw this at the By Way of the Family web Site (I think it's from Ignatius) and was wondering....
Early Church Fathers CD Rom Windows
Study of the Fathers has a special place in the Church. The Catechism calls them "models of catechesis" (CCC 8), and "always a timely witness" (CCC 688) to the Tradition of the Church. This CD-ROM allows the viewer to gain an understanding of the Tradition of the Church in an interactive-learning format.The entire 38-volume set of the Ante-Nicene, Nicene, Post-Nicene Fathers and other ancient writers are included on this CD. Includes a powerful Search engine capability. If it's in a writing of the Early Church Fathers, you can find it
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Posted: Thu Nov 16th, 2006 11:31 pm |
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Hi Jill -
The CD Rom you spoke of sounds great. I think my main desire would be for it to have a comprehensive search capability feature, and the ability to have a hilite and copy feature as well, so when I am putting together a paper or doing correspondence I won't have to type out the sections I find, in order to more easily transfer the written text / information.
I currently use the web to copy & paste sections from the early Church Fathers, but I have Jurgens vol. 1 & 2, Jeroslav Pelikan vol. 1 & 2, The Christian Centuries vol. 1 by Jean Danielou, Patrology vol. 1-4 by Johannes Quasten ( plus several others) for research.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 12:03 am |
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| Might I suggest if you are looking for reference libraries on anything Catholic that you wait to see what David Emery has to say? He has absolutely the best reference library on the planet short of the Vatican itself, so he is definitely the authority on the subject. He does use a Mac but the chances are that whatever he uses will also be available on the PC, will be cheaper, and won't work as well. Such is the life of a PC user. Last edited on Fri Nov 17th, 2006 12:04 am by CajunRick
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 01:55 am |
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The original question in this thread was whether there is a better source of patristic sources listed by topic than Jurgens. My initial answer (see my post above) was in the negative. Jurgens’ topical index is, in my opinion, the best there is.
Others want to know if there is value in buying a CD-ROM which has the Fathers of the Church in English according to the century-old Edinburgh edition, produced by the (Calvinist) Church of Scotland. (This is the “38 volume set” that is in the public domain; there is no other.) I went that route some years ago but found the available products unable to do any better than the searchable internet text at http://www.newadvent.org/ . (The same library is separately available at http://www.ccel.org/ , sponsored by Wheaton College, a Calvinist institution. This version contains all the original notes of the Edinburgh edition, which unfortunately are at times stridently anti-Catholic. But at least you will have access to the biblical references, which the other website does not provide.) My advice is to save your money and use the internet.
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Posted: Thu Jan 4th, 2007 10:49 am |
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For a short summary of ECF statements please check out:
FOUR WITNESSES: THE EARLY CHURCH IN HER OWN WORDS
by Rod Bennett. You can purchase at EWTN or amazon
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