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Br_Carlo
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 09:01 am |
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God's peace. I was looking through a pamphlet on how to pray the rosary and noticed that Judith 15:9b-10a was quoted for the suggested scripture meditation on the Coronation of Mary in the Glorious Mysteries. The quote was, "You are the boast of Jerusalem . . . you are the splendid boast of our people. With your own hand you have done all this . . . May you be blessed by the LORD Almighty forever and ever!"
I have read through this passage several times and am having difficulty seeing Mary there, much less anything about coronation. Am I missing something? Blessings, ~Br_Carlo~
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Annie
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 10:55 am |
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I don't think you are missing anything. I have noticed something like "proof-texting" going on in some rosary books and some books on apologetics. For the coronation of Mary I would use the woman with stars in Apocalypse. Just a quick answer as I finish breakfast here.
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japhy
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 10:55 am |
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I would have expected Psalm 45 [44], verse 9 (or 10), "at your right hand stands the queen in gold of Ophir". (Why the NAB has preferred "princess" to "queen", I have no idea. I haven't found any other translation that matches the NAB there.) Another appropriate verse (more for the Assumption, though) is Psalm 132 [131], verse 8, "Arise, O LORD, and go to thy resting place, thou and the ark of thy might."
Anyway, Mary is often prefigured in the Old Testament in various ways (in particular virtuous women, in the Ark of the Covenant, etc.). Her role as Queen Mother follows from her being the mother of the eternal Davidic King, Jesus.
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 12:50 pm |
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Br. Carlo:
The Church has chosen to use this passage of Judith in its liturgy in an accommodated sense, applying it to the virgin Mary. Basically, it has been taken out of context and “made to fit” Mary’s circumstances. This is admittedly not a scholarly way of approaching scripture, but since it has some precedent with very prestigious saints and mystics of the past and even a few scholars, such as St. Bonaventure, it is sometimes accepted for its traditional and devotional value.
Annie:
Because of the considerations mentioned above, I do not believe there is any “proof texting” going on with the passage from Judith. Still, I agree with you that amateur apologetics can very easily get derailed on the proper use of both scripture and tradition in defense of doctrine.
japhy:
The NAB is posted on the Vatican website. You will notice that, in spite of the fact that they have left the sometimes ideologically tendential introductions and footnotes in place, the link to the book of Psalms has been disabled. Perhaps you have uncovered one the reasons behind this decision.
David
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