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Gloria Mundi
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Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 08:41 am |
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This Body of Death
In Romans 7:24 . In the older translations there is reference to a body of death.
'What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death'?
Is this referring to the individual persons actual body, or something else.
I say this, because I understand that in Roman law, there was an absolutely horrific practice , whereby a convicted murderer had a cage strapped to his body containing the body of the person he had murdered and he did this until he himself died.
Now, there is obviously a difference between my body of sin and death and somebody elses. The thought occurred to me that if we take the Roman legal point, then it could be a reference to the murder of Abel by Cain, meaning the murder that all pagans carry out on those around them who do not love their neighbour in accordance with the words of St. John, anyone who does not love his neighbour is his murderer.
But if that is wrong, then the more accepted interpretation which is that St. Paul is talking about, the individuals own body of sin and death, is the real point here, which of course is now redeemed by the atonement and resurrection of Our Lord.
So, as with all scripture, there is really a great deal in that one short phrase, and I would appreciate a steer.
Many Thanks.
Last edited on Sun Feb 10th, 2008 08:42 am by Gloria Mundi
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 12:21 pm |
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The meaning of the phrase is spiritual, Gloria, not physical. I like your reference to St. John’s epistle; it shows that you are beginning to understand things rightly in spite of your grosser speculation. Also, I posted something on this passage in Romans yesterday here.
David
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Jackie
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Posted: Sun Feb 10th, 2008 07:50 pm |
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Makes me think of the verse in Romans 7:15-17 "What I do, I do not understand. For I do not do what I want, but I do what I hate." SIN
It is in the flesh and bones of me that I sin. (Do what I hate) The Spiritual me wars with it. Continually. Daily. I know the right and wrong of it and the Law surely brings that to the forfront but until Christ posesses me COMPLETLY, sin may overcome my desire to do what is right.
We have power here so I am not unaided. The Sacraments, especially daily Eucharist provide the necesasary grace to overcome but I have to have a willing heart that listens to the voice of Truth. It is God rescuing me/you/us from ourselves so that we can be conformed into His Only Begotten Son.
it is a journey to be sure.
Always ~ in all ways Jackie
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Gloria Mundi
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Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2008 01:43 pm |
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Thank you all for your help, and link from David, I can better understand this passage now.
Last edited on Tue Feb 12th, 2008 01:44 pm by Gloria Mundi
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