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Insightful You Tube Video on Self-Contradictions of Sola Scriptura

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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 07:27 pm

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 08:16 pm

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Dave,

I didn't care for it - just snippets and sound bites. It wasn't a commendable refutation against Sola Scriptura and James White.

Please understand, I'm not trying to defend Sola Scripture. I just think there are better sources out there that address the problems with SS than this YouTube clip.

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Posted: Sun Aug 3rd, 2008 08:26 pm

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No doubt. I don't think it is to be taken too seriously. I just thought it was funny; the way it was done.

Besides, White himself is always taking little snippets from his debates and presenting them, so he got a bit of his own medicine.

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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 07:23 pm

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I just think that as Catholic people who are secure in our witness to truth that we need to be extra careful to avoid anything that appears to be demeaning or using one's own medicine against them or appear too interested in the fighting itself. I do find problems with White's presentation but I think at times I run into Catholics who seem to mock him a bit or make the debate seem somewhat personal. I would hate to give anyone something they can use against us. Plus it has a quote from his sister who converted to Catholicism. While the fact that this happened fills me with joy and certainly speaks for itself, it is not something I want to use as ammunition.
Anyway, my opininion is not necessarily trustworthy, and I know litle of what I say in this matter. I am only speaking about my fear from what very little I observe. I did not even watch the video and am not commenting on it. Just my fear of the matter at large.

Brian

Also, with youtube I often question what should be allowed to be posted. I am a musician. I would not want someone posting my music for free on there if I was trying to make a living from it. Also with images as well. I know that a lot of SS debates are for sale by apologists. So I am curious if these posts should be allowed. I know there is bebate about it as youtube is more like watching your friends personal stuff, but I am not decided on the matter. Anyway, I would love to have a list of any links to free debates that have happened on the matter in case I would like to use them myself later.

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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 09:13 pm

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Use of humor (especially satire and sarcasm) in apologetics is always controversial. Whenever I use humor I always get flak back (from both the recipients and some fellow Catholics) and I explain (for the umpteenth time) that humor is very much in evidence in the Bible (including, yes, the dreaded satire and sarcasm). Jesus and Paul used it, and we are to imitate them; therefore there are times and places for humor.

I agree that the line between that and sinful insult can be very fine. I always advise folks to thoroughly understand the deeper purpose of satire and sarcasm before ever attempting to use it. I also would advise anyone who is prone to putting down others or to losing their temper, to wisely avoid it.

As with everything in the Catholic life, there is a wise, godly balance, But I can't ever see that I would stop utilizing humor. It's so much a part of me. As long as we are very aware of certain unethical lines not to be crossed, it's okay.

You'd have to understand White's tactics and personality, too, to understand why someone would make a video like this. Therec are tons of factors too complex to go into here. Trust me, though. I've been dealing with him for thirteen years.

Anyway, I would love to have a list of any links to free debates that have happened on the matter in case I would like to use them myself later.
I have lots on my own site (take your pick!):

The Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:6-30) vs. Sola Scriptura and James White (vs. James White)

Dialogue on the Alleged "Perspicuous Apostolic Message" as a Proof of the Quasi-Protestantism of the Early Church (vs. Eric Svendsen and James White)

Sola Scriptura: An Unbiblical Tradition: Refutation of Dr. John MacArthur and Richard Bennett

Critique of: Denying Sola Scriptura: The Attempt to Neutralize the Bible (by Gary DeMar) (vs. Gary DeMar)

Why Sola Scriptura is Self-Defeating and False if it Isn't in the Bible (vs. Kevin Johnson)

The Novel and Unbiblical Doctrine of Sola Scriptura (vs. Steve Parks [Lutheran] )

How Different (In Nature and Ultimate Effect) Are SolO Scriptura and SolA Scriptura? (+ Part II) (vs. Keith Mathison)

Reply to Steve Hays' Critique of Robert C. Koons' Treatise, A Lutheran's Case for Roman Catholicism: Sola Scriptura & Rule of Faith (+ Discussion)

"Saint & Sinner's" Critique of The Catholic Verses, Part I: 1 Timothy 3:15 (Church Authority & Sola Scriptura) (+ Discussion)

Reply to Jason Engwer's Catholic But Not Roman Catholic Series on the Church Fathers: Sola Scriptura (An In-Depth Analysis of Ten Church Fathers' Views Pertaining to the Rule of Faith) (+ Part Two) (vs. Jason Engwer)

Dialogue on Sola Scriptura and the Church Fathers (+ Part Two) (vs. Jason Engwer)

Did St. Athanasius Believe in Sola Scriptura? (vs. Ken Temple)

Dialogue on Whether the Fathers Taught "Perspicuity" of Scripture and Denied the Necessity of Tradition and an Authoritative Church (vs. Carmen Bryant)

The Sufficiency of Scripture and the Church Fathers (Particularly, St. Athanasius and the Trinity) (vs. E.L. Hamilton and "Cranmer")

Refutation of David T. King Regarding St. John Chrysostom & St. Irenaeus as Alleged Sola Scriptura Advocates (+ Discussion)

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Bible, Tradition, and the Church Fathers, Part I (Preliminaries, St. Irenaeus, & Tertullian) (+ Discussion)

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Bible, Tradition, and the Church Fathers, Part II (Various Fathers and Arguments)

Lutheran-Catholic Group Dialogue #2: The Nature of the True Church and Authoritative Christian Tradition / Questions on Institutional Separation (+ Discussion)

400 Million "Popes": Protestant First Principles on Authority Are Inevitably Arbitrary, Unbiblical, and Viciously Self-Contradictory (+ Discussion) (vs. Ken Temple)

The Problem of Authority: Luther, Calvin, and Protestantism (+ Part II) (vs. Kevin Johnson and Tim Enloe)

Dialogue on the Clearness and Formal Sufficiency of Holy Scripture (vs. Carmen Bryant)

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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 11:11 pm

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Thanks for the links. I was wondering if any of them may be audio links or if you know of any that are free audio links to such discussions so I could listen to them.

I agree about humor. I was never saying do not use it or ever. Only that things we do and say represent us so we must be careful to not give people a reason to question our message. Humor could help people see that we are good natured and contribute to the validity of our message. I realize this as well. I just think that at times if people are sensitive or could misinterpret caution seems advisable.

Brian

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Posted: Fri Aug 8th, 2008 01:15 am

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I have no audio debates. I did one sort of "talk" on Catholic Answers Live on the topic, though: "Why We Need More Than the Bible" ( link: ram ) ( link: mp3 ).

I tried to find a free debate online but was unsuccessful. My friend Phil Porvaznik has lots of audio files linked, but no debate on sola Scriptura.

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