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kimdyuma
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 08:04 pm |
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| I am not sure if I am in the right forum but as I have posted in other places my kids are having a hard time with our churches. My son was in tears last night over the issue. Anyhow one question that came up was "mom how do you know that the Catholic church won't change her mind just like the others on divorce, gay marriage contraceptive and abortions? How do you know that the Church won't move to "open communion" like the Anglican church? After all you said your self that the Anglican church once believed that all these things were wrong too" We didn't even get into female priests.....:?
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 09:33 pm |
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I’m not sure what your exact question is, but the Catholic Church has not changed doctrine in 2000 years. Not even once.
"Dogma" is just formally declared doctrine, so of course it's never been changed either.
The same cannot be said of any other church, from the Anglicans to the Zoroastrians.
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 10:39 pm |
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| Kim, have your children been to mass at all? Maybe if they tried it a few times they might not be so resistant. Is it that the mass you attend is one of the "liberal" ones and the Anglican is more traditional? I know you said your son who has autism was an altar server. Would he be eligible at the catholic church to do that, over time?
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 11:10 pm |
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the church we attended was very traditional the catholic church that i attend while being the most traditional here is not considered so by my kids. they attend a weekly mass at school. No they haven't attended with me except for the Easter vigil,weddings and so forth. Our son will be 17 in February so he might be too old to acolyte. He is starting to transition to Eucaristic minister one service a month at their present church- which means that he is a chalice bearer.
And Rick I guess what he was trying to ask is how can I guarantee that the Catholic church won't change with the times like the other churches have. I have tried to point out that she hasn't in the last 2000 years but I think he is confusing tradition with doctrine... One thing that I am looking forward to is that the priests at my church are trying to bring back more traditional Catholic services and trying to educate the parishioners away from Kumbaya practices.
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Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 11:28 pm |
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My daughter has attended mass twice, first for my confirmation and second last Easter, both Easter vigils. She thinks mass is always three and a half hours long! I would like to get her to 9:00 a.m. mass when it's only an hour and no incense (she says it makes her eyes water).  It sounds like your children are having trust issues with the church. "Why is it okay now when they used to teach that it wasn't okay?" Out of the mouths of babes.
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Dave Armstrong
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 12:25 am |
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I think the best response is how the Church Fathers ultimately defended the Catholic faith: apostolic succession. After making their biblical arguments, the ace in the hole was always: "this is what has always been believed by the Catholic Church, as passed down from Jesus to His disciples, to the bishops and popes. Therefore it is true because it has always been this way, and whatever departs from that precedent is false."
St. Augustine, for example, argued in this way:I believe that this practice [of not rebaptizing heretics and schismatics] comes from apostolic tradition, just as so many other practices not found in their writings nor in the councils of their successors, but which, because they are kept by the whole Church everywhere, are believed to have been commanded and handed down by the Apostles themselves. (On Baptism, 2, 7, 12)
. . . the custom, which is opposed to Cyprian, may be supposed to have had its origin in apostolic tradition, just as there are many things which are observed by the whole Church, and therefore are fairly held to have been enjoined by the apostles, which yet are not mentioned in their writings. (On Baptism, 5, 23, 31)
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 09:50 am |
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Yes Marsha right now they are having trust issues with the church and our son in particular since trust is a huge issue with kids with autism...there is atheology teacher at their school who he respects tremendously- he has said that he will talk to her about his issues- person ally I hope he gets his mind settled soon so that our Sundays and Mondays will quit being this roller coaster of emotion...
Dave I showed him your response- he didn't say much but usually things percolate in his mind for a time before he talks about them.
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 12:44 pm |
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Good. My oldest son is autistic. Can be quite frustrating indeed at times!
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 01:00 pm |
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| How old is your son? Ours was diagnosed at 28 months- just when we get the skills for a particular age down he grows into the next phase- so it seems anyhow- the early years were pysical skills and communication, the middle years were communicationa dn more physical skills and these teen years ARE COMMUNICATION.
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 01:16 pm |
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Hi Kim,
Yep, I hear ya. Our son is 16. Extremely sensitive, fussy and particular, and tough to talk to when there is any disagreement. The big thing now is social skills and knowing when to talk, when to stop being humorous, etc. He seems a lot more "different" now than when he was, say, 8 years old, because he remains childlike in a lot of ways, so it is more noticeable.
The good part, though, is that he is very caring, spiritually attuned, pious, innocent, and sensitive to others' feelings. God uses all of us, for sure, faults and all! Autism is in His providence, just as everything else is.
If you really need someone to talk to about it, maybe you could chat with my wife Judy (she deals with our son a lot more, being a home-schooling mom and the one who takes him to weekly counseling, etc.). Send me a PM if you like. She could probably use a little support from someone in a similar situation, too!
We're all in this together.
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Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 03:41 pm |
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