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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 03:36 pm |
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Is anyone familiar with this church group and are there any apologists that support their views?
http://www.truecatholic.org/
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Bill
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 04:53 pm |
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setapart wrote: Is anyone familiar with this church group and are there any apologists that support their views?
This is a heretical, schismatic group. The Church handles them the same way it handles any other heretical, schismatic group. It invites them to repent and return to the fullness of Truth.
Any apologist who supported them would also be heretical and schismatic. It is sad that some people, through no fault of their own, are misled by their beliefs. The Church reaches out to them as well.
It is ludicrous to think that the papacy had ever been vacated, and that this remnant group (or any of the other hundreds of such groups that claim to be in sole possession of the "truth") could restore it. That's tantamount to saying that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church, which means Jesus lied.
To question the legitimacy of the Church is to question the legitimacy of its founder. And that's heresy of the worst kind.
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 05:16 pm |
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I totally agree with you on this - I think that it takes a very proud form of phariseeism to claim that your group has "one up" on the True Body of Christ.
I remember a time a few years ago while on my journey back to the CC I visited an "Ecumenical Catholic Church." They believed in the "real presence" and claimed apolstolic succession for thier clergy. What was interesting was the fact that on the weekend that I visited the church, their pastor announced that their "Council" was experiencing a rift within the leadership and that a re-formation was in progress. This was a very small congregation consising of mostly Escopalians. After the service, I had several conversations with some of the congregation. They did not take to this "split" very well and were seriously going to look for another place to worship in.
This is one more example of men placing themselves as God's "true" annointed on their own terms and thinking that they hold the "real" keys to the kingdom.
I think that God allowed me to experience this at that time in order to guide me back to the CC.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:16 am |
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I found a book by Patrick Madrid called More Catholic The the Pope, that addresses
this issue. (Here I am answering my own post).
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 01:56 am |
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setapart wrote: (Here I am answering my own post).
They say that when you talk to yourself, you know you're having an intelligent conversation! 
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Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 07:43 pm |
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Yep, it's a schismatic and heretical group: so-called "traditionalism" (which is an abuse of a good word, used against the Church's true Tradition, rather than in favor of it). I have written a book about this strain of thought, and also have a web page on this mentality: "Traditionalists": Catholic Quasi-Schismatics. I generally will give anyone who is struggling with these ideas (or who espouses them and is willing to read a critique) the Word 2000 or PDF version of my book free of charge.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15th, 2008 01:47 pm |
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is it not this group one more of those who separate from the cc for not agreeing with the teachings of the cc like the reformers and orthodoxys? soon they will find themselves in trouble and will be back.
I am a conservative catholic and dont agree with modernism in the church, i also know that this is all a big confusion on the part of those who are liberals . I trust on the Lord, His church will be just like He want it to be.
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Posted: Sat Feb 16th, 2008 11:55 am |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: Yep, it's a schismatic and heretical group: so-called "traditionalism" (which is an abuse of a good word, used against the Church's true Tradition, rather than in favor of it). I have written a book about this strain of thought, and also have a web page on this mentality: "Traditionalists": Catholic Quasi-Schismatics. I generally will give anyone who is struggling with these ideas (or who espouses them and is willing to read a critique) the Word 2000 or PDF version of my book free of charge. I assume that Gerry Matatics - a convert himself from Protestantism - is among those. If I can remember right he was a close friend to one of the more well known Catholic apologists and later developed to where he is now.
I am just beginning to read your ebook "Pensees on Catholic Traditionalism". I look forward to reading through it. Already, I am being influenced by sound faith based reasoning that is brought forward with conviction and confidence.
God bless, Bill
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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 07:30 pm |
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I assume that Gerry Matatics - a convert himself from Protestantism - is among those. If I can remember right he was a close friend to one of the more well known Catholic apologists and later developed to where he is now.
Gerry is now a sedevacantist. He thinks Pope Benedixt XVI is not really the pope (and that he and JPII are / were Communists and Masons and modernists themselves). This is the extreme wing of the radtrad folks. He was once a friend of Scott Hahn and Steve Wood in seminary and was on the staff at Catholic Answers for a time before heading out into fringe schismatic territory.
His is a very sad example of what I call "insufficiently converted Catholics": Protestants who, unfortunately, bring too much of Protestantism in with them when they convert, and never learn to truly "think with the Church" or with what might be called a "Roman mind" (as my friend Pete Vere likes to put it). Matatics is still exercising private judgment: the Protestant principle. He ultimately decides what is true or false, rather than submitting to the Church, to determine that.
I've always said that so-called "traditionalism" is an ironic combination of aspects of both dissident Catholic, pick-and-choose liberalism and the private judgment of Protestantism. It's highly ironic, because "traditionalists" pride themselves on being particularly "Catholic" and "unProtestant."
NOT the case . . .
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