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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 02:06 am |
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Where can I find what the Catholic Church has taught infallibly? I am told some things in the Catechism are infallible while others are not.
Is all of this documented anywhere?
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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 07:58 am |
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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 09:48 am |
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Denzinger’s Sources of Catholic Dogma is the primary source of dogmatic texts. Unfortunately, it is not available in English on the internet because it is still in print. Here is a list of bona fide dogmas taken from a secondary source, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, by Ludwig Ott.
Ott’s book is published by TAN Books. I don’t recall who publishes Denzinger’s book. You may be able to find Denzinger at a public library.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11th, 2006 11:11 am |
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Both books are readily available at Amazon and other booksellers. A quick Google search of the titles resulted in thousands of hits.
Denziger's book, translated by Roy Defferrai, was last published by Herder in 1954. It is available from Catholic Pages for $29.95.
Ott's book can be purchased directly from TAN Books for $27.50. It should be available just about everywhere.
And of course, this is a perfect time to mention the new Coming Home Resources message area available from the Forum's home page. CHR is the companion bookstore to CHN, and the profits help to support the ministry of CHN. One of the purposes of the message area is to ask whether they have or can get specific materials. I checked the CHR Web Store and neither book is listed as available, but I have a feeling they can get it if requested. They can be reached at 740.450.1175. Not surprisingly, their web site says they are recovering from a server failure so it's quite possible they have it but the information just can't be found online right now.
Last edited on Wed Oct 11th, 2006 03:21 pm by CajunRick
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 10:03 pm |
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A key element in this for me was coming to a place where I was willing to accept, and in fact do believe and profess, that I believe in the authority of the Magisterium, of the Pope, Bishops, the "One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church."
This then is sort of a blanket approach, there are things which I may not understand or easily accept and believe, but considering that the Catholic Church teaches us/me to accept it, I do in obedience.
As I understand it, there are things which are defined doctrines or dogmas, such as the Immaculate Conception. Other beliefs are also required of us, but not as strictly defined and declared. It troubles me that some people, particularly catholics, look to find loopholes in these "distinctions."
I have understood the value of such definition of doctrines and dogmas since seminary days. The early church realized that it was necessary to define these things and declare what is "heresy." So we know that Jesus is fully God and fully human, that the trinity exists and must be accepted to be Christian, the Bible is given to us by Divine inspiration, and is not just another book, and on from there.
So I am most grateful to God that Jesus gave us the Church and gave her leaders in the Pope and the bishops, and gave authority to the Church, and we are not left to each one determine their own right and wrong.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 10:08 pm |
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I looked at the information at the link given. I wish I could say that I remember all of the latin phrases given there from my theological studies. But some of it left me.
Will someone give us a brief explanation about what "De Fide," and "Sent. certa." and "Sent. fidei proxima" mean?
And thanks again for the link to the "Catholic First" site, very helpful!
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 11:26 pm |
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Monte, “de fide” means literally “of the faith.” It refers to a solemnly defined dogma (third and highest level of authority).
“Sent. cert.” refers to doctrines on the second level of authority, wherein a doctrine is specifically and repeatedly affirmed but not solemnly defined. (The first level, that of the ordinary magisterium, encompasses all that the pope and the bishops as a whole teach in the day-to-day execution of their office or which has always been universally held by the Church.)
“Sent. fidei proxima” is a doctrine directly deducible from one of the above. In other words, it is a logically necessary consequence of a defined doctrine.
It troubles me that some people, particularly catholics, look to find loopholes in these "distinctions."
The classic definition of faith is the acceptance of something on the authority of another. What Monte describes here is a basic unwillingness to accept anything given on the authority of another: “No pope is going to tell me what to believe!” Where have we heard that before? “Non serviam — I will not serve!”
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Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 09:29 pm |
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cajunrick wrote: And of course, this is a perfect time to mention the new Coming Home Resources message area available from the Forum's home page. CHR is the companion bookstore to CHN, and the profits help to support the ministry of CHN. One of the purposes of the message area is to ask whether they have or can get specific materials. I checked the CHR Web Store and neither book is listed as available, but I have a feeling they can get it if requested. They can be reached at 740.450.1175. Not surprisingly, their web site says they are recovering from a server failure so it's quite possible they have it but the information just can't be found online right now.
Gee thanks, Rick. I just went and spent my allowance for the week in there. lol. Now I might have to go out and get another bookcase for my library. I'm a sucker for good books. Thanks for the link.
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Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 09:54 pm |
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steppenwolf1218 wrote: Gee thanks, Rick. I just went and spent my allowance for the week in there. lol. Now I might have to go out and get another bookcase for my library. I'm a sucker for good books. Thanks for the link.
Maybe I can talk them into giving me a commission...
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