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brian
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Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 01:50 pm |
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I am looking for a basic website (or somebody to explain to me in some detail though not extremely in depth) that would give me brief descriptions of the histroy of the reformation and who broke from who and why. I am curious as to wanting to understand the different churches better and where they came from. I am looking for this from a Catholic perspective, and I am most curious about the relationships, similarities and breaks regarding Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, King Henry, and Smith. And I want to specifically know which "reformers" and churches broke directly from the Catholic Church and which broke from other protestant denominations. And which reformers directly founded these institutions and which just used their teaching as a basis. And possibly a little bit about which broke from these in the next century.
As I think I understanbd it now, Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli, and King Henry (England) all independently broke from Rome (or did Calvin break from Luther? and were there others to break from Rome?) and Smith and Wesley broke from England. Who/which denominations broke from Luther?
Some brief answers would help me, but also maybe a website where I could slowly learn more of these relationships would be nice too.
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Brian
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CajunRick
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Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 01:57 pm |
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| Try this site, Brian. It's one of the best I've seen.
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JasPax
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Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 03:23 pm |
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Brian: I like the site Rick gave you. I hadn't seen that before.
Here is a little book you may want to read: Roots of the Reformation by Karl Adam. It is available through the Coming Home Network.
Today, I was just re-reading Fr. Richard John Neuhaus' book, Catholic Matters. Here is a quote from page 165: "The alternative to obedience is to turn the conversation into a cacophony of Christians making it up as they go along."
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CajunRick
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Posted: Fri Apr 6th, 2007 03:27 pm |
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JasPax wrote: Brian: I like the site Rick gave you. I hadn't seen that before.
I can't take the credit. Prayerie Pal posted it a couple of weeks ago in Recommended Resources. It's exceptional.
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 02:06 am |
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Brian
I had a few reformation pages that I thought you may want to take a look at.
http://www.educ.msu.edu/homepages/laurence/reformation/index.htm
http://homepage.mac.com/shanerosenthal/reformationink/index.htm
http://ic.net/~erasmus/CALVINISM.HTM
http://oll.libertyfund.org/Texts/Luther0155/FirstPrinciples/HTMLs/0224_Pt01_Intro1.html
I've enjoyed reading some of the information on these sites, Maybe you'll find some interesting information too.
When I first read some of Luther & Calvins writings, I was shocked! They were nothing like I had imagined.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 03:46 pm |
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I generally go by one rule of thumb: Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church -- mortals founded the rest. And the sources listed by other members are excellent.
I saw the other day a segment in a book called "Organic Christianity," an evangelical "church-building" guide. The author's name I can't recall, but the reasoning he gave for the Roman persecutions was a gem of contemporary Protestant thinking.
Forgive my paraphrasing: The Romans persecuted the Christians from 62 AD to 312 AD because God used them to bring about the decentralization of the existing churches. Hmm, maybe the author has some Roman blood in him. Otherwise why would he give Nero - who used Christians as lamp torches for his gardens - and his successors such a pass. Forgive my Catholic/Christian bias here, but I just can't imagine God wanting to give Nero any slack, or credit even, for helping to "decentralize" His church. I don't know about anyone else, but even the notion of God wanting to "decentralize" His church was quite a stretch for this ultra-traditional Papalist. [Sigh] - I guess I have a lot of catching up in Church history to do.
There were some generous lines (couched in trendy managerial/motivational style lingo) attacking the hierarchical structure, which of course, Catholicism has followed quite successfully for 2,000 years. Despite his use of code language, the good reverend was kind enough not to give our identity away. Obviously, this recent inventor of the ecclesiastical wheel has caught on to something so dynamic, so awesome and so adapted to our times which require quick moments of fluid transition, that I just about fell into a moment of illuminated sensation of rapt excitement. After all, when I saw what he was getting to, it all seemed so revolutionary.
Had enough? Okay, but what the author, a minister, was really proposing a church structure, or rather a very loosey-goosey association of like-minded local churches of like-minded people that would not follow any semblance of the old and archaic hierarchy mode. Oh no, not this fellow.
But the more I looked at this creation, it resembled an amoeba! Wow, and I thought evangelicals were dead set against any kind of evolution, even one that moves in reverse only!
Now, that takes some thinking. Squirrely or otherwise. In the meantime, I'm glad Catholics managed to keep our foundational lines relatively simple and INTACT.
Ah, give me that old time simplicity! (Obviously the Lord wasn't taking any chances by giving Peter & Co. a church building management seminar. He just kept it sweet and short. Don't you love this scenario? There was Jesus handing on the keys to Peter -- ah, but alas, only to be followed by a lot of pretenders 1,500 to 2,000 years later - and still these pretenders are still moving along like a pink bunny. Last edited on Thu Apr 12th, 2007 04:03 pm by Steven Barrett
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mg57
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Posted: Thu Apr 12th, 2007 11:26 pm |
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Here's an excellent timeline chart of the Catholic Church throughout history. On the left side there are numbered links, each one brings you to a different era in Church history.
http://www.catholicapologetics.org/Slides/General%20Church%20History%20Timeline_files/frame.htm
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