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lia
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Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 12:17 am |
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Truthseeker wrote:
Mary was just someone used by God...
This sounds like a "god" that doesn't value His creation.
The pope can't be infallible, because he bowed down in Turkey and people were killed...
As usual, people who make this comment doesn't understand what we Catholics mean by the pope's infallibility. It's not his person, but his authority to teach which must follow certain conditions.
Pedophiles in the church....
And like there are no pedophiles (who holds positions) in other Christian denominations? A scandal in the Catholic Church is big news...but not if the scandal came from a church with few members...
Again, that the bible says to confess only to God.......
If we are going to literally go with this, then even convicts should confess when interrogated. But then Catholics go with the Bible when Jesus gave the apostles the authority..."What ever you bind on earth ...."
We worship Mary because we kneel when we pray - and when I said we didn't worship her, was told, yes we do....
Funny how people would put words in our mouths and even in our hearts. We say we don't worship Mary but they say we do. Who are they trying to convince? Themselves? With their own rebuttals. Now, I wonder what would a non-Catholic Christian man say if he is caught by a Catholic down on his knees proposing marriage to his girlfriend and the Catholic say, "Aha! You are worshipping your girlfriend!"
All the truth is in the bible and what do we need to listen to a CHURCH when we have the bible.... (although one of the reasons she attends prot church is for bible study sermons - and not seeing that is the same thing, just a different church).
The bible doesn't explain itself. There's this Christian channel that has a program called ASK THE PASTORS. They'd have 4 pastors of different denominations. I find it confusing that they'd have different answers. It shows that every individual has their own interpretations.
For example... a teacher asked her students to fill in the right punctuations of the sentence: WOMAN WITHOUT HER MAN IS NOTHING. She grouped them according to their sex.
The answers:
The boys' answer:
WOMAN, WITHOUT HER MAN, IS NOTHING.
The girls' answer:
WOMAN: WITHOUT HER, MAN IS NOTHING.
So you see, there must be a Church to explain the bible to us.
My dad kept asking if I was reading the catholic bible. Told me I was closed minded.
There is no such thing as a Protestant Bible since the bible came from the Catholic Church. You could say that he is using an abridged Catholic bible  And being close minded works both ways. 
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Man can't b forced 2 accept the truth.He can b drawn toward the truth only by his own nature, that is, by his own freedom w/c commits him 2 search sincerely 4 truth & when he finds it, 2 adhere 2 it both in his conviction & his behavior.-- JP2
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lia
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Posted: Fri Jan 5th, 2007 12:33 am |
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cajunrick wrote: lia wrote: "You cannot hold God within you. If you did, you would explode!"
The answer is that I cannot contain God. However, God can choose to be contained within me. It is beyond my power, but all things are possible with God.
I was speaking in the context why Mary has to be immaculately conceived and had to bear God the Son. (But then again if God willed it so, He could have done anything.) And yeah, God can dwell in us. He did say, "If you dwell in me, I will dwell in you." (did I get the quote, right?).
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Man can't b forced 2 accept the truth.He can b drawn toward the truth only by his own nature, that is, by his own freedom w/c commits him 2 search sincerely 4 truth & when he finds it, 2 adhere 2 it both in his conviction & his behavior.-- JP2
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Prodigal Daughter
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Posted: Wed Jan 10th, 2007 11:39 am |
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He did say, "If you dwell in me, I will dwell in you." (did I get the quote, right?).
"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him."
John 6:56
I never understood that verse as a Protestant. How could I have symbolized that? Jesus then goes on in the Gospel of John Chapter 15 about abiding in him. I never could wrap my mind around that until I came into the Church. The whole Gospel of John makes so much more sense as a Catholic now and I thank God for placing me in his Church, the place where He abides.
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Juan
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Posted: Fri Jan 12th, 2007 05:17 pm |
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He did say, "If you dwell in me, I will dwell in you." (did I get the quote, right?).
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Close enough.
Sincerely,
Juan
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boxerpaws
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Posted: Wed Jan 17th, 2007 07:49 pm |
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i probably should have introduced myself before jumping in here-but i want to get something on the board before i get purged.Especially being a new member.
My question is;how does the dogma of the Immculate Conception even remotely resemble gnosticism? There are no similarites that i can see.
I don't understand why for non Catholics it's such a stretch to beleive Mary wouldn't be immaculately conceieved even if it's not implicit in scripture.
We don't know that Joseph died afterall,but we can assume and probably be right.
We don't know a great deal about Jesus Hidden life but i'm sure we have some idea.
We are told more could be included in scripture about what Jesus said and did and there wouldn't be enough room but we can have some sense of what those writings would have included ie miracles etc
The Immaculate Conception fits in with Genesis when God puts enmity between Mary and Satan.For that to be true Mary would have to be without even one taint of sin. But let's also remember the angels were created sinless.Adam and Eve were sinless before the fall.We will be sinless in heaven. It's possible for creatures to be sinless then.
It's kind of like the Jews who needed proof postive Jesus was God .No matter what He did they couldn't see it.Yet,the OT has many passages that prefigure Jesus-and they still couldn't see Jesus in those passages.So unless the OT actually said it would be Jesus then these ppl would never accept Jesus was God no matter what.It had to be spelled out exactly in scripture for them to see it. We know Jesus was God and was prophesized as well as prefigured in the OT and that there were several prototypes. Yet,a lot of the Jews couldn't see it .
Will wrap this up-i just don't see why the Immaculate Conception seems so impossible. God became man,Jesus rose from the dead,He performed many miracles-even bringing ppl back from the dead.The Immaculate Conception can't be impossible!
GB!~
boxerpaws(aka p4p)
Last edited on Wed Jan 17th, 2007 07:52 pm by boxerpaws
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