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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 08:38 am |
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Does one need to be in a state of grace to receive confirmation? For instance, if one had not been to confession to confess certain grave sins and was not able to receive the Eucharist in god faith, should they accept confirmation or not? Or should they be confirmed but still not partake of the Eucharist that day? I know that confession is offered regularly enough but I could see this possibly becoming an issue so I was curious as to what would be the case if one was going to receive confirmation not confidently in a state of grace.
Also, does anybody know if communion or the mass is celebrated in afternoon confirmation ceremonies? Or is it just the confirmation?
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 10:27 am |
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When I went through RCIA in 2006-2007, those of us who were already baptized and had baptismal certificates from our former churches were required to go to reconciliation prior to confirmation. Those who were not yet baptized did not go to reconciliation, because their sins would be washed away in baptism prior to the confirmation rite. So all of us were freed from sin prior to confirmation. Baptism, confirmation, and Eucharist all took place at the Easter Vigil.
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 11:27 am |
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Yes, Brian, one needs to be in the state of grace to receive any sacrament other than baptism and penance. A person in a compromised state, such as an invalid marriage, cannot receive any sacrament until such time as his mode of life is changed. Otherwise the reception is a sacrilege and the graces of the sacrament are not received.
Anyone “not confidently in a state of grace” — which I take here to mean a doubtful case, wherein one’s guilt is probable but has not been definitely established because of a lack of understanding of what constitutes a sin or of whether one has in fact committed a sin — should definitely receive the sacrament of penance prior to the scheduled confirmation or the reception of any other sacrament, discussing the issue in detail to clear up any ambiguities, and take whatever steps the priest deems necessary.
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 05:43 pm |
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That is not to say, however, that receiving a sacrament in the state of mortal sin "invalidates" the sacrament. Rather, the graces of the sacrament would be "bound" until one made a good sacramental confession, at which time they would be "revivified". Otherwise, it would be very difficult to know who really was validly married or confirmed.
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Posted: Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 06:29 pm |
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That is not to say, however, that receiving a sacrament in the state of mortal sin "invalidates" the sacrament.
Correct. This is why I stated that “the graces of the sacrament are not received.” The grace is there, but the sin does not allow it to be operative. Removal of the impediment permits the graces to fulfill their mission.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 05:44 am |
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TotusTuus wrote:
That is not to say, however, that receiving a sacrament in the state of mortal sin "invalidates" the sacrament. Rather, the graces of the sacrament would be "bound" until one made a good sacramental confession, at which time they would be "revivified". Otherwise, it would be very difficult to know who really was validly married or confirmed.
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does that mean that people who get married in a Catholic Church but while not in a state of grace are actually not married yet or do not maintain the full sacramental privilege of marriage until they return to the state of grace?
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 09:59 am |
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Married, yes, but not receiving the graces of the sacrament (in this case, graces proper to the married state, which the sacrament establishes) until properly absolved.
Remember the principle: a sacrament “works” in and of itself, but the sacramental graces (a product of the sacrament) are withheld if the soul is not in the state of grace. Once the soul is returned to the state of grace through proper reception of the sacrament of penance, the graces become active.
The sacrament of penance is a special case among the sacraments, in that it returns one to the state of grace. Therefore, if properly disposed (repentant of all grave sins committed and determined not to sin again), the soul receives both forgiveness (restoration to the state of grace) and the graces of the sacrament (aids to virtue).
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 11:29 am |
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David W. Emery wrote: The sacrament of penance is a special case among the sacraments, in that it returns one to the state of grace.
The same is true of Baptism, of course, and of the Anointing of the Sick, which also returns one to the state of grace when combined with sacramental confession or for those whose illness prevents sacramental confession, but who are nonetheless truly repentant.
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 04:48 pm |
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The sacrament of penance is a special case among the sacraments, in that it returns one to the state of grace. Therefore, if properly disposed (repentant of all grave sins committed and determined not to sin again), the soul receives both forgiveness (restoration to the state of grace) and the graces of the sacrament (aids to virtue).
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Though I thought that one does not need perfect contrition (true remorse purely for how it is sinful against God?) but rather ome sort ofcontrition even if not as purely motivated in order for confession to be valid? I guess I wanted to clarify that in order for to be properly disposed for reconciliation to be valid repentance is necessary, but it is not invalidated if someone has less than perfect contrition? How does one recognize just how contrite they are and if it is enough? Or is it just assumed by the fact that one is going to confession and sincerely wants to avoid that sin in the future?
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Posted: Sat Apr 5th, 2008 01:40 am |
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brian wrote:I guess I wanted to clarify that in order for to be properly disposed for reconciliation to be valid repentance is necessary, but it is not invalidated if someone has less than perfect contrition? How does one recognize just how contrite they are and if it is enough?
It isn’t a question of quantity, but of quality. “Valid repentance” starts with “less than perfect contrition” and proceeds from there. The Catechism, §1451 and following, gives the proper distinctions.
“Repentant of all grave sins committed and determined not to sin again” is the fundamental act of contrition. “Perfect” and “imperfect” have to do with the motive for contrition; they are not “quantifiers” but “qualifiers.”
Our original topic was whether a baptized Catholic can profitably receive the sacraments (apart from the sacrament of penance) without being in a state of grace. The answer was No. However, in the sacrament of penance, one is allowed to return to the state of grace even with “less than perfect” contrition, as defined in the Catechism in the place indicated. So it’s not difficult to do, and it does not require that you approach the confessional already in a state of grace, even though in all likelihood one is justified from the moment he begins to repent, provided that he follows through with reception of the sacrament of penance.
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 01:14 am |
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| I have a question related to this, so receiving a sacrament with sin on your soul a is sin in itself correct? And also, would the graces of the sacrament be restored once i went to confession?
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 02:15 am |
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Hello Joseph. I am pleased to meet you. The answer to your questions is Yes and Yes. You have understood the explanations given above correctly.
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 03:14 am |
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Joseph, welcome to the CHNI forum.
God bless,
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 05:31 pm |
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| Ok thankyou very much
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