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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 09:07 pm |
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If you attend more than one mass on a given day because you need to be there for another reason, is there any reason not to go to communion twice?
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 09:53 pm |
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Yes, you can receive communion twice in a day, at different Masses for different purposes. For instance, you can receive in the morning at regular daily Mass, then again at a wedding or funeral Mass in the afternoon. Twice in a day is the limit. (Priests are exempted from the limit if they have to celebrate more than two Masses in a day’s time.) This is an application of canon 917 in the Code of Canon Law.
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Luke12:48
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Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 11:47 pm |
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Ok. You say masses "for different puposes"
What if both are just daily masses but you happen to need to speak at two of them - not that it is a huge deal either way but I find it more odd to not go but wanted to make sure going more than once was not somehow incorrect.
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Posted: Sun Oct 15th, 2006 12:08 am |
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Luke12:48 wrote: Ok. You say masses "for different puposes"
What if both are just daily masses but you happen to need to speak at two of them - not that it is a huge deal either way but I find it more odd to not go but wanted to make sure going more than once was not somehow incorrect.
The canon David mentioned reads:
Can. 917 A person who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist can receive it a second time on the same day only within the eucharistic celebration in which the person participates, without prejudice to the prescript of can. 921, §2.
That means you may receive the Eucharist again as long as you fully participate in the mass and are not attending just to receive the Eucharist. In addition, a person cannot attend mass and then a communion service later in the day, or administer the Eucharist to themselves by retrieving it from the tabernacle.
A person may not attend mass twice just for the sake of receiving the Eucharist again. To do so is to imply that receiving "more" of Jesus is better than receiving "less" of Jesus, and that is heresy. The Church teaches that when we receive the Eucharist we receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus, whole and entire. But as long as we are attending mass a second time for a valid purpose connected to the celebration, we may (and should) fully participate in the celebration by receiving the Eucharist again.
For example, a person who attends mass in their his/her own church to serve as Lector and later attends the baptism of a child held at mass may receive the Eucharist both times. A person giving a scheduled reflection or serving as a music minister may receive the Eucharist at each mass in which he/she participates.
Any person in danger of death may receive the Eucharist regardless of whether they attended mass earlier in the day, and ministers bringing communion to the sick may (and should!) consume any excess hosts upon completing their visitations.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 12:27 pm |
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This thread kinda goes along with a question I have.
I would like to attend midnight mass on Christmas. My family will be going later on Christmas morning, as the kids will be in bed for the midnight mass.
Can I receive at both masses, or should I refrain at one of them?
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 12:51 pm |
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beachmoss wrote: This thread kinda goes along with a question I have.
I would like to attend midnight mass on Christmas. My family will be going later on Christmas morning, as the kids will be in bed for the midnight mass.
Can I receive at both masses, or should I refrain at one of them?
As long as you fully participate in both masses, you can go to communion at both masses.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19th, 2006 01:18 am |
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| Thank you! That's what I thought. I just wanted to double check!
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Posted: Sat Dec 23rd, 2006 05:44 pm |
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| Are you saying you can't go to mass twice a day, just because you love to go? What if you aren't Catholic yet?
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Posted: Sat Dec 23rd, 2006 08:25 pm |
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pam wrote: Are you saying you can't go to mass twice a day, just because you love to go? What if you aren't Catholic yet?
Yes, you can go to mass as often as you like.
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Posted: Mon Feb 5th, 2007 02:12 am |
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Rick, regarding people going again because they are a lector or musician, two times would still be the limit right?
"(Priests are exempted from the limit if they have to celebrate more than two Masses in a day’s time.) This is an application of canon 917 in the Code of Canon Law."
David, what i learned in class today was that though a priest can celebrate more than two masses, they need permission from the bishop to do so because it is not considered good to do so unless they need to due to lack of priests or something, and there was a term for a priest performing more masses in a day than they should.
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Posted: Mon Feb 5th, 2007 01:06 pm |
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brian wrote: Rick, regarding people going again because they are a lector or musician, two times would still be the limit right?
"(Priests are exempted from the limit if they have to celebrate more than two Masses in a day’s time.) This is an application of canon 917 in the Code of Canon Law."
You can attend mass as often as you like, but should not receive the Eucharist more than twice a day. If you find yourself attending mass in a public manner (say, as a speaker) more than twice in a single day, you should discuss with the priest whether you should receive communion.
Note that the Saturday Vigil mass and Sunday mass are on separate days, so receiving communion at the Easter Vigil and two masses on Easter morning is no problem, as long as you fully participate in all three masses.
David, what i learned in class today was that though a priest can celebrate more than two masses, they need permission from the bishop to do so because it is not considered good to do so unless they need to due to lack of priests or something, and there was a term for a priest performing more masses in a day than they should.
To celebrate three masses in one day is to "trinate".
Historically, priests would celebrate mass continuously for the intention of a nobleman, prince, king, etc., and be paid to do so. This is one of the abuses Martin Luther protested. The Council of Trent introduced the limit of two masses per day to prevent this abuse, and also requires that masses be offered regularly for the parishioners, the souls in Purgatory, etc.
Most bishops today will routinely give permission to priests to celebrate three or four masses on a Sunday or on a Saturday if he has weddings or funerals. There are restrictions on the intentions of the masses and on how much money he can accept. As long as the reasons for the masses are reasonable, the bishop will approve it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 6th, 2007 02:16 pm |
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so to make sure, are you saying that you would check with the priest if you were lecturing or speaking or singing at more than two masses, but if you were only doing two you would just receive at both? I am confused because it seems you said earlier that you could take it twice if you needed to speak at both, and now you are saying you should check with your priest? Or is it that you should check with your priest if you speak at three, but I do not understand this since you already said you could receive twice if you were lectoring at both and it is never ok to take three so why check with the priest? This is confusing, but I want to understand it in case I ever end up playing music at mass or something like that.
Luke12:48 wrote: Ok. You say masses "for different puposes"
What if both are just daily masses but you happen to need to speak at two of them - not that it is a huge deal either way but I find it more odd to not go but wanted to make sure going more than once was not somehow incorrect.
The canon David mentioned reads:
Can. 917 A person who has already received the Most Holy Eucharist can receive it a second time on the same day only within the eucharistic celebration in which the person participates, without prejudice to the prescript of can. 921, §2.
That means you may receive the Eucharist again as long as you fully participate in the mass and are not attending just to receive the Eucharist.
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"If you find yourself attending mass in a public manner (say, as a speaker) more than twice in a single day, you should discuss with the priest whether you should receive communion."
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Posted: Tue Feb 6th, 2007 02:46 pm |
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brian wrote: so to make sure, are you saying that you would check with the priest if you were lecturing or speaking or singing at more than two masses, but if you were only doing two you would just receive at both?
Church law permits you to receive the Eucharist two times in one calendar day as long as you are participating in mass. If you are attending two masses in one day for valid reasons, you may receive the Eucharist at both masses without obtaining permission from anyone.
Church law also permits the bishop to override Canon Law in many instances for pastoral reasons. It is possible that a bishop has given permisson for the people in his diocese to receive Eucharist more than two times in one day, or has delegated the authority to his priests. Your priest would be aware of this permission, so you should ask the priest. You may assume that if he gives permission, he has the power to do so. It is not necessary to ask him if he has the authority to give permission. If he gives you permission to do something that is in violation of Canon Law, it is his problem, not yours. If a police officer is directing traffic and he tells you to go in violation of a red traffic light, do you stop to ask him if he has the authority to do so? Of course not.
The intention of this law is to prevent the practice of attending multiple masses or entering communion lines from a flawed belief that somehow "more Eucharist" is better than "less Eucharist." This is heresy. The Eucharist is the Body and Blood of our Savior, whole and entire. The smallest fragment of consecrated host or the smallest drop of consecrated wine contains all of Jesus: Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
Let's say you are to speak after communion. It is not permitted to enter the church during the Our Father, receive communion, and then speak, whether it's the first, second, or third time. You must fully participate in the mass. A priest who enters the church at the Lamb of God to assist in the distribution of communion does not receive communion himself at that mass, because he has not fully participated in the mass. If he has attended the entire mass, whether acting as celebrant, concelebrant, musician, usher, etc., he will receive communion.
Don't parse words, Brian. Consider the intent of the law more important than the specific words. If I was scheduled to speak at three masses on a single calendar day, between midnight and midnight, I would ask my pastor if it is OK to receive communion at the third mass. If he says yes, I would attend the entire mass, sing the hymns, answer the prayers, listen to the readings and the homily, and receive communion. Then I would speak, then bless myself when the priest gave the final blessing, be dismissed, and sing the final hymn to its conclusion. If he said no, I would probably come in during communion, speak, and leave.
I have attended as many as six masses in a single day. I have never received communion more than twice in a single day. I have assisted in consuming the remaining Precious Blood in the sacristy after communion, but that is a different issue.
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Posted: Tue Feb 6th, 2007 03:48 pm |
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But it is ok for ministers of communion to absorb hosts that fallto the floor and to drink the rest of the wine.
I understand the heresy you are talking about, but this confuses me because I learned in RCIA that some famous saint estimates that there is a period of time when you receive that Jesus is physically united to you until digested and after that the grace remains. If this is true why would it not be better to recieve more than two times since thisteaching seems to distinguish between the grace upon intantly receiving and the grace of having received say an hour ago?
Anyway, sorry for all the questions, I really appreciate your patience.
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Posted: Tue Feb 6th, 2007 05:45 pm |
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brian wrote: But it is ok for ministers of communion to absorb hosts that fallto the floor and to drink the rest of the wine.
Yes. This is a different case, because the minister is properly and respectfully consuming the excess Precious Blood. In the same way, it would be OK to consume two hosts that were stuck together, or to consume the remaining hosts at the end of a home mass. Priests often do this when celebrating mass in private homes, nursing homes, etc. The intent is not to receive "more Eucharist" but to properly consume the Precious Body and Precious Blood of our Savior.
I understand the heresy you are talking about, but this confuses me because I learned in RCIA that some famous saint estimates that there is a period of time when you receive that Jesus is physically united to you until digested and after that the grace remains. If this is true why would it not be better to recieve more than two times since thisteaching seems to distinguish between the grace upon intantly receiving and the grace of having received say an hour ago?
The physical presence of Jesus in your system remains only as long as the bread remains bread and the wine remains wine, which is probably only a few seconds. The grace is permanent, until it is rejected. The purpose of grace is to change us. If we leave church fussing at others in the parking lot and weaving around people trying to be the first one out, the grace has done us no good, and receiving more Eucharist won't make a bit of difference. Eucharist isn't magic. God gives us the grace to change, but the change has to come from within ourselves. That's what free will is all about.
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Posted: Wed Feb 7th, 2007 03:50 pm |
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| I guess what I find confusing about cannon law 917 is that it does not say the limit is in place in case you need to go to a wedding or some other service or if it applies across the board that you could feeel free to receive twice in one day whenever you felt you should and had participated in two masses. I would think it was there so people could go to mass and then a weddin, and that it would not be to receive communion in two back to back masses of the same liturgy. But I suppose since it does not specify the rule simply is you can receive two times in one day. Is this correct?
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Posted: Wed Feb 7th, 2007 04:35 pm |
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brian wrote: But I suppose since it does not specify the rule simply is you can receive two times in one day. Is this correct?
That is correct, as long as you have a reasonable reason to attend both masses and are not attending just to get "more Eucharist".
Attendance with family, ministry obligations, funerals, weddings, or even the desire to attend a mission at a neighboring parish would all constitute reasonable reasons.
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