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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 02:35 am |
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| is it really that effective to wipe the chalice with a cloth to avoid taking in germs from the pther peoples mouths? it does not bother me, but someone asked me this and i did not know the answer. but it seems everything is well thought out, so i was curious on why it is ok for several people to drink from the same glass not knowing what sicknesses or tings are developing?
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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 11:23 am |
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brian wrote: is it really that effective to wipe the chalice with a cloth to avoid taking in germs from the pther peoples mouths? it does not bother me, but someone asked me this and i did not know the answer. but it seems everything is well thought out, so i was curious on why it is ok for several people to drink from the same glass not knowing what sicknesses or tings are developing?
No illness has ever been proven to be transmitted by the cup. There is some antiseptic value to the alcohol, and wiping the edge cleans away any residue of saliva.
Still, during times of flu epidemics and other contageous diseases, communion from the cup is stopped to help minimize the transmission of disease.
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JillD
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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 04:44 pm |
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Can drinking from the cup be that much worse than shaking several hands during the passing of the peace?
Our church only shares the Bread with the congreation and I'm going to miss the Cup when I finally get to take Communion.
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BodRod
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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 07:13 pm |
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Greetings,
Within the last four months or so, some reports have been in the news regarding the transfer of germs. Questions addressed included method of transfer, the length of time it takes to transfer germs, the effectiveness of the individual's immune system etc. The conclusion was that it takes time, after the contact is made, for the germs to hop off of where they were and on to the new location or article. The application of this knowledge was then used to explain why a little child can drop his/her candy or gum on the sidewalk or mall floor, grab it off the floor and pop it back into their mouth without developing some horrible disease.
The thing that annoys me no end, is the women who wear waaaaayy too much lipstick and make it necessary to virtually scrub the chalice before turning it and offering the Precious Blood to the next person. 
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BodRod
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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 07:22 pm |
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Since you mentioned it, a pathologist friend has told me that the best thing a person can do to protect themselves from "catching" a disease is to wash their hands often ...... with soap! I still work part-time, so I am around germs several days a week, then there are the doors to the mall, the money used by who knows whom and the hand shaking mentioned here. My response to all of that is to carry small bottles of an alcohol based hand wash in my truck and I use the wash often.
Now, if you want to get really concerned, think about the vacation spots you have been to in the past where there were imported germs from all over the world!!! For me, that makes the local germs at Mass seem like small potatoes.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 07:36 pm |
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BodRod wrote: Within the last four months or so, some reports have been in the news regarding the transfer of germs. Questions addressed included method of transfer, the length of time it takes to transfer germs, the effectiveness of the individual's immune system etc. The conclusion was that it takes time, after the contact is made, for the germs to hop off of where they were and on to the new location or article. The application of this knowledge was then used to explain why a little child can drop his/her candy or gum on the sidewalk or mall floor, grab it off the floor and pop it back into their mouth without developing some horrible disease.
Isn't that the scientific basis behind the five second rule? You know, pick it up within five seconds.... 
The thing that annoys me no end, is the women who wear waaaaayy too much lipstick and make it necessary to virtually scrub the chalice before turning it and offering the Precious Blood to the next person.
Ooohhh ... pet peeve! Why do they have to wear so much RED lipstick to church, anyway?
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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 07:46 pm |
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BodRod wrote: Since you mentioned it, a pathologist friend has told me that the best thing a person can do to protect themselves from "catching" a disease is to wash their hands often ...... with soap! I still work part-time, so I am around germs several days a week, then there are the doors to the mall, the money used by who knows whom and the hand shaking mentioned here. My response to all of that is to carry small bottles of an alcohol based hand wash in my truck and I use the wash often.
Regular soap is barely less effective than antibacterial soap, too. The normal path to catch a disease is from hand to hand to eye, or from air to nose, not from mouth to mouth. You catch a cold from someone who coughs or sneezes in your presence, or from shaking their hand, or touching a doorknob or phone, etc., not from kissing them.
BTW, alcohol gels are only about 50% effective. They do kill germs but those that are not killed remain on the hands. Soap also kills germs, but the rest get washed away by the running water. It's better to "wash" your hands in plain water than to use alcohol gels. Of course, your best bet is to do whatever is available. Those involved in food service or medical care should wash and sanitize.
Drinking from a shared cup is a poor way to transmit disease. Germs that depend on that method of transmission would have died out centuries ago, or else Catholics would always be sick.
When we went to Haiti, we used antibacterial hand wipes in between visits. I was especially careful because I am diabetic, so I didn't touch anyone or anything that wasn't necessary in areas like the AIDS hospice, and I used the antibacterial gel and wipes when we got back in the bus, then washed thoroughly as soon as I could. It must have worked.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10th, 2006 08:29 pm |
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>>>It's better to "wash" your hands in plain water than to use alcohol gels.>>>
But I don't have a sink that will fit into my pocket! However, I agree that washing is the best way available to me. That is the first thing I do whan I get home. Since I help serve, I feel it is my duty to stay as healthy as I can and not risk other peoples' health.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17th, 2006 03:51 am |
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The thing that annoys me no end, is the women who wear waaaaayy too much lipstick and make it necessary to virtually scrub the chalice before turning it and offering the Precious Blood to the next person.
A couple of years ago, Father put a note in the Bulletin asking us not to wear Bright lipstick due to the stains on the cloths. I just don't wear any
is it really that effective to wipe the chalice with a cloth to avoid taking in germs from the pther peoples mouths? it does not bother me, but someone asked me this and i did not know the answer. but it seems everything is well thought out, so i was curious on why it is ok for several people to drink from the same glass not knowing what sicknesses or tings are developing
The only time I worry very much about germs is when I have a bad cold or the flu. When I'm sick or getting over being sick, I don't take from the cup. We have alot of elderly and I just don't want to get anyone sick. It makes me feel bad, So I just receive the bread on those occaisons. I read somewhere that you receive the whole amount of Jesus no matter if you only receive one drop or a tiny crumb.
I really enjoy being able to receive under both though, And look forward to it on Sunday.
God Bless
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Darlene
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 08:33 am |
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Greetings,
So do most of you recieve both the wine and the bread? I was under the impression that it is very rare to receive wine at Catholic Communion. For those of you that do receive both of the elements, how is it done? Do you go up to the altar and are first given the wafer then the chalice? Forthose who only receive the wafer, is it first dipped in the wine? I'm just interested in knowing what the common mode of taking the Holy Eucharist is within the Catholic Church.
My church held to Methodist tradition until recently. A group of members would go up to the altar and first be given the bread. Then we would be given the grape juice (Many Protestants have a problem with wine for some reason) Then the pastor would say, "Brothers and sisters, please take of the bread and the cup," and those at the altar would do it in unison. Then the next group of members would go up until the whole church had taken Communion.
About two months ago, due to some people's problem with the public manner in which Communion was being taken and also wanting to get further away from Methodist tradition since the church became non-denominational, we now take it in our seats. The ushers pass out the bread and the grape juice. I don't like this way especially since I know the reasons why it has changed. Many think Communion should be a private matter between the person and Jesus. I disagree completely. It is just another way that our church is going the path of "Jesus and me and nobody else is concerned."
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CajunRick
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Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2006 10:21 am |
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Darlene wrote: So do most of you recieve both the wine and the bread? I was under the impression that it is very rare to receive wine at Catholic Communion. For those of you that do receive both of the elements, how is it done? Do you go up to the altar and are first given the wafer then the chalice? Forthose who only receive the wafer, is it first dipped in the wine? I'm just interested in knowing what the common mode of taking the Holy Eucharist is within the Catholic Church.
It is quite common now, at least in the United States, to receive both the Precious Body and Precious Blood. Most churches have communion "stations" scattered around the church where the Precious Body is distributed, and another minister stands a few feet away with the cup. One may partake of the cup or not, depending on their preference. It depends on the size and layout of the particular church.
It is possible to receive a host (what we call the wafer) dipped in wine by the priest, and then placed on our tongue. It's called "intincture" and I don't think it's very common. We are not permitted to dip the host into the cup ourselves as there is too much chance of spilling the Precious Body and Blood of our Savior.
In my parish, we all process forward in a common double-file line. At the head of the line there are four host ministers, and each person may choose to receive from either minister in their line. A few feet behind stand two cup ministers, and a person may receive from either cup, or go straight back to their pew.
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