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brian
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Posted: Mon Feb 19th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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I have heard it said that receiving the euchasrist is among many things a means of venial sins being forgiven (there are other graces of course) Well, one of the first parts of the mass is the penitential rite and the priest sort of gives a general absolution. So is it just attending mass that has a forgiving affect? or is it when you actually receive the sacrament. How could my sins be forgiven at the rite, then again at the eucharist. Are they seen as one continual act? Can my sins be forgiven before mass even starts just through my repenting in my heart on tuesday, or does the venial sin build up till I go to mass again?
Secondly, I have learned that we are not to receive communion more times in a day because it is heresy that it is not better to receive more Jesus, or something along those lines.
Does this mean that when the body and blood are first made present at the priests words 'this is my body' that I should not think God's presence is any more with us than it was before, since Jesus has been just as present in the tabenacle the whole time?
But, maybe I can still regard this as a very holy and mysterious moment, even if it is wrong to think God's presence is just now coming or increasing.
Thirdly, say my kid (if i had one) is crying, or I need to rush to the bathroom and I miss some parts of the mass, some prayers. Can I come back and receive? How much do I need to participate to receive?
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 02:36 am |
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Can my [venial] sins be forgiven before mass even starts just through my repenting in my heart on Tuesday, or does the venial sin build up till I go to mass again [on Sunday]? CCC 1416 Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant’s union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.
You may recall our earlier discussion of the forgiveness of sins in another thread. There we recalled the theological point that God forgives the sinner immediately upon his repentance, activating that forgiveness through the penitent’s fulfillment of the conditions for forgiveness. Should the person be prevented from fulfilling the conditions, the sin remains forgiven, and fulfillment of conditions is commuted.
Secondly, I have learned that we are not to receive communion more times in a day because it is heresy that it is not better to receive more Jesus, or something along those lines.
Since each communion involves the infinite merit of the Eucharistic Jesus, our benefit is delimited by our human weaknesses and limitations. Therefore, it is impossible to receive “more Jesus” than is contained in a single communion. Hence the canonical limitation on the number of times per day a person can receive communion.
Does this mean that when the body and blood are first made present at the priests words 'this is my body' that I should not think God's presence is any more with us than it was before, since Jesus has been just as present in the tabernacle the whole time?
One can, I suppose, look at it this way. The Church’s liturgical law requires that any hosts reserved outside the tabernacle (such as in a monstrance) be covered or otherwise hidden from view, such as being returned to the tabernacle. The purpose of covering the Eucharistic species or placing them inside the tabernacle is to prevent the situation you outline. Yes, we know his body is present, but by having it hidden, our focus is directed to the altar, because Jesus’ act of immolation and sacrifice which is the Mass is the cause of our salvation.
Thirdly, say my kid (if i had one) is crying, or I need to rush to the bathroom and I miss some parts of the mass, some prayers. Can I come back and receive? How much do I need to participate to receive?
This is not considered an impediment unless you dally outside. In other words, so long as you are absent by necessity and not by choice, it does not prevent you from receiving communion. For instance, if you left because of illness and were unable to return, communion could still be brought to you if you were physically able to receive it. Your obligation to attend Mass (if it is a day of precept, that is, a Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation) ceases at the moment you are forced to retire and resumes when you are reasonably able to return.
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Ali
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 10:41 am |
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Secondly, I have learned that we are not to receive communion more times in a day because it is heresy that it is not better to receive more Jesus, or something along those lines.
Since each communion involves the infinite merit of the Eucharistic Jesus, our benefit is delimited by our human weaknesses and limitations. Therefore, it is impossible to receive “more Jesus” than is contained in a single communion. Hence the canonical limitation on the number of times per day a person can receive communion
So if my dd attends school mass on a Holy Day and recieves communion, and we attend in the evening as a family, she should not go up again for communion a second time??
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 11:25 am |
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Ali wrote: Secondly, I have learned that we are not to receive communion more times in a day because it is heresy that it is not better to receive more Jesus, or something along those lines.
Since each communion involves the infinite merit of the Eucharistic Jesus, our benefit is delimited by our human weaknesses and limitations. Therefore, it is impossible to receive “more Jesus” than is contained in a single communion. Hence the canonical limitation on the number of times per day a person can receive communion
So if my dd attends school mass on a Holy Day and recieves communion, and we attend in the evening as a family, she should not go up again for communion a second time??
As long as she attends mass for a valid reason (which this is) and fully participates in the mass, she should be encouraged to receive communion at both masses. The canonical limit David mentions is twice per day.
This was covered pretty extensively in this thread.
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