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brian
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Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 04:49 am |
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| Seems we have made it clear that the Eucharist is Jesus' glorified body and blood. It also seems that the mass is the one and same representation of the sacrifice of calvary. So I guess I was under the impression that we were actually eating the body and blood as they were on the cross. I don't know why. My question is how is it the sacrifice of calvary being made present, if it is his glorified body which did not come until after calvary? Am I missing something? Can it both be Calvary and yet still a resurrected Christ we receive?
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wmschrader
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Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 12:11 pm |
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The article link here might help:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHRIST/WHOLCHRI.TXT
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Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 04:25 pm |
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wmschrader wrote: The article link here might help:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHRIST/WHOLCHRI.TXT
That article is excellent. Thank you for the link.
It did miss one thing in Brian's question, though.
Brian, you are still trying to place eternal things into the frame of time. Time exists in this physical reality; not in heaven. In heaven, the Sacrifice of Calvary was already taking place at the creation of the universe, and is still taking place today. That's why the priest can make the Sacrifice of Calvary present again on the altar at every mass. it is not a new sacrifice; it is the same sacrifice made present again and again and again at every mass in every Catholic church on earth. The reality that is Jesus Christ crucified (body and blood, soul and divinity) is present in the Eucharist at every mass and in every tabernacle in every Catholic church on earth.
Eternity cannot fit into the frame of time. According to the reality of our physical universe, Jesus cannot fit into the confines of bread and wine.
That's what makes it a miracle. And you and I will never understand it.
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brian
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Posted: Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 03:56 am |
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| I am OK t ounderstand that as much as my human mind can, Rick. What I can not understand is how it is the sacrifice of calvary being made manifest, if it is Jesus glorified body we are receiving. His body at Calvary was not yet glorified. How is the mass both making Calvary present and the glorified Christ present at the same time?
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Posted: Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 10:18 am |
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brian wrote: I am OK t ounderstand that as much as my human mind can, Rick. What I can not understand is how it is the sacrifice of calvary being made manifest, if it is Jesus glorified body we are receiving. His body at Calvary was not yet glorified. How is the mass both making Calvary present and the glorified Christ present at the same time
Remember that Christ's glorified body was visible at the Transfiguration, which took place before Calvary as related in today's gospel. Christ was always God and his glorified body was always present; we just can't see it. Christ did not just become glorified after his death; he was and is always God, but just as our human senses cannot see the Glorified Christ in the Eucharist, the apostles could not see the Glorified Christ walking around Israel, except for the glimpse they were given at the Transfiguration.
In eternity, all things exist simultaneously because time does not exist. Abraham is still willing to sacrifice his son on the mountain, and God is still willing to sacrifice his Son on the Cross. The sacrifice is still eternally still taking place, as is the Transfiguration and the Last Supper and the Incarnation. To God, all eternity is one continuous event.
And since we are creatures of time, this is something we cannot understand. We cannot know how something can be made manifest before it "happened" because we look at things in a linear manner. Man's way is not God's way. The mass taps into the eternal event, not the time-bound event. Words such as "before" and "after" have no meaning. All is "now."
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