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kimdyuma
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 11:58 am |
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| Somewhere in the various confession threads it was mentioned that protestants are picking up on conffession using toll free numbers- Since confession came up recently in a conversation with someone holding the typical "don't need a someone to confess to" opinion I would have like to have said well if that is so why are these services spring up but dind;t have the info. Does anyone know of a website or telphone number of one of these ministries?
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 03:15 pm |
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Here are a couple of online places, Kim:
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Note that they are secular rather than Protestant. But I’m not sure it matters. The idea is there.
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 06:36 pm |
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I know that there was a thread that I shared a long time ago, probably a year or around that. I had found in my catholic news an Evangelical site that a pastor was using and taking confessions from people all over the place. I was very happy to see that they were getting involved or even working toward this most blessed sacrament. Although a web-site confession would be very unorthodox or maybe offensive to our Catholic beliefs, I though it was incouraging in a universal sort of way.
I will say that I just got off the phone with my dear Evangelical Missionary friend and he and I had a wonderful discussion on Confession and he shared that in his missionary group, they had begun what he referred to as Accountability Groups so that several members could sit around with their leaders or Pastors and they would confess their sins and mistakes to one another and pray together that the Lord forgive them. And the leader or pastor would give counsel on new ways to avoid the near occaision of eachs particular sins.
I know it's much different than what we believe and our method, but I see it personally as progress. And he shared how it had really helped him with some of his personal struggles.
I so enjoy our conversations and correspondence and always pray that the Lord give me the words to explain the Truths the church teaches correctly in a way he understands, so we can break through the barriers and mis-conceptions that he has been taught about the RCC. He normally walks away with a completely new understanding and has actually told me he's very relieved to hear the truth.
Please pray that through our visit while he is at home, the Lord guide my words in the way he would like me to explain church teaching as to reveal it's truth and not to share using words, phrases that may further his incorrect beliefs that others have told him of the RCC.
He's going to come up to visit in my home so we can discuss scripture and doctrine and then we'll be going to dinner on thursday night.
God Bless
Betty
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BodRod
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 07:41 pm |
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Last year there was a site for confession run by Ted Haggard, who headed up The Life Church Evangelicals. He was the fellow who, in November, 2006, was accused of buying methamphetamine and homosexual sex.
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 08:02 pm |
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| I guess that i would have a concern with "accountability" groups- that could easliy be abused or less than confidential
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Darlene
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 08:23 pm |
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I witnessed a substantial amount of abuse with public confession in The Church of Bible Understanding. (a Christian sect/cult) We were coerced to confess our sins at meetings, where many were present. What a disaster that was!
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 08:27 pm |
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| Actually it was your testimongy and maureen's ( I think that is her name) that came to mind when I read that post.
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Gnyssa
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 09:26 pm |
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I have looked into these on line confession sites. Frankly, they strike me as more lurid than is healthy - as if they are appealing to a voyeuristic element. In the Sacrament of Reconciliation, secrecy is a moral absolute. Confession before the whole internet seems to me to be the exact opposite. I would urge a devout Protestant or any non-Catholic who is feeling burdened to speak openly with a trusted minister before resorting to one of these sites or a chat line.
In my work as a priest, I have had people who are not Catholics confide very serious things to me. It is not the Sacrament and I cannot give them absolution. And they do not even believe in absolution! But they come to me because they know I am an RC priest, and say things to the effect of, "I know you hear confessions so perhaps you will understand . . . (etc.)" It is an interesting statement that our non-Catholic friends know that we have something very precious in the Catholic Church in this Sacrament.
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 09:27 pm |
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I imagine that it could be very easily abused if done for the wrong reason. I still feel that the manner the Catholic church has for us to confess our sins is the one that we were supposed to follow and probably for some of the very same concerns that we all would have.
My point is that some seem to be acknowleding that confession is a very well needed and helpful sacrament, Which is very different than I have experianced in the past with protestant mind set.
When some protestants begin being open to confession and not just stuck in the position of "I confess to God and God alone" mind set, they may then begin to take alook over the fence and be more willing to listen (As my friend was today) to the hows and whys of the sacrament of confession. And considering that it could be abused in a group setting may help them arrive at the conclusion to understand how/And why the Catholic church members confess only One on One to a priest that has taken a vow of privacy & silence for the confessional.
I know and understand that these steps are very small, but they do open doors, minds and hearts to learn. Scripture tell us to confess sins to one another and the church fathers have some writings that indicate that they used to confess (in the beginning) to a group or parish family. I would suppose some of your concerns about privacy have been addressed many hundreds of years ago in the catholic church and that is why we only confess to a priest in private.
I can honestly understand why this would send horrible memories for Darlene & Maureen, And I certainly did not mean to create a negative reaction for either. I am truly sorry for all they have been through.
but I also don't think that I can view my protestant friends and families pastors & and fellow leaders in their congregation the same as I would view a controlling cruel cult leader either. When a christian brother shares an experience that he's had with the lord, by confessing his sins openly, I cannot stand in judgement of him and tell him how wrong or all the negative thoughts I may have. I must leap to the open door and share my experience with confession and share what a blessing it has been in my life. And also clear up our misunderstanding of him thinking that I'm only asking the priest to forgive my sins and explain the manner that the priest is standing in "Persona Christi" for christ and it is through christ handing down the authority to the church to forgive my sins. and not me just asking father as an ordinary man. Every time we have one of these God given times, we have been able to hash over a particular topic and Our lord has always somehow helped me to explain it in a manner that my friend excepts and then wants to know more about the church.
God Bless & I do understand that their are some serious concerns that could arrise from a group confession.
Betty
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CajunRick
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 10:18 pm |
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Gnyssa wrote: In my work as a priest, I have had people who are not Catholics confide very serious things to me. It is not the Sacrament and I cannot give them absolution. And they do not even believe in absolution! But they come to me because they know I am an RC priest, and say things to the effect of, "I know you hear confessions so perhaps you will understand . . . (etc.)" It is an interesting statement that our non-Catholic friends know that we have something very precious in the Catholic Church in this Sacrament.
Just curious ... does the seal of the confessional apply if you don't grant absolution? In other words, if someone confessed a criminal act, would you be bound to report it or exempt through the canonical seal? And would you advise the "penitant" of that fact, either way?
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