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Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 01:21 pm |
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I notice that this thursday is the official date for the ascension but I believe that it can be celebrated on sunday as well so more people are there. Do all Catholic churches do it the same or does it depend on our bishops? I see it can be celebrated either day. Does anyone know how this is commonly done? Actually I now note that it is a Holy Day of Obligation as well. So does that mean I need to go to church on the Thursday or has it been moved to sunday for the obligation?
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Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 02:09 pm |
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Posted: Mon May 14th, 2007 11:25 pm |
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I received the following in an email today from Catholic Culture:
In case you didn't know, the Ascension of Our Lord on May 17th is/is not a Holy Day of Obligation. I can speak only for the United States; things may be more definite elsewhere. If you live in Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Philadelphia and Nebraska, the Ascension is a Holy Day. If not, it is transferred to the 7th Sunday of Easter (May 20th).
The references are to archdioceses and dioceses, of course, not to individual cities. The decision for Nebraska affects the entire province, which I believe is the entire state.
If you are travelling, you are obliged to attend mass on a holiday of obligation if you are in that diocese, so if you're from Atlanta but visiting in Boston, Ascension Thursday is a holyday of obligation.
I know that Great Britain has transferred the observance of the Ascension to Sunday as of this year. I don't know about other countries.
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 12:37 am |
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and we can of course go to the vugil of the holyday if it were more convenient? Is there anything wrong with this, since part of me thinks it is better to go on the actual day, but if it is thursday/sunday and I go on wednesday/saturday evening, there is nothing lacking with this.
Well, canonically speaking I know it is acceptable, but in a spiritual sense is there any disadvantage to going to a vigil instead?
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 01:24 am |
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brian wrote: Well, canonically speaking I know it is acceptable, but in a spiritual sense is there any disadvantage to going to a vigil instead?
Attendance at a vigil mass fulfills the obligation. I prefer to attend mass on the morning of a feast (including Sundays) but do not hesitate to attend the vigil when it is necessary or more convenient.
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 08:13 am |
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There is never a disadvantage to attending Mass. Daily Mass is a great practice.
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 05:32 pm |
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Our parish priest said that Thursday was a Holy Day of Obligation this Sunday after Mass, during the announcements. So, I have to assume that our diocese does celebrate Ascension Thursday, ON Thursday.
I did see the site for the Roman Catholic Bishops of the US, that did say that it was now celebrated on the following Sunday. So, I was confused when I priest said it was Thursday.
Fine with me, any excuse to go to Mass  .
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 06:06 pm |
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smh wrote: Our parish priest said that Thursday was a Holy Day of Obligation this Sunday after Mass, during the announcements. So, I have to assume that our diocese does celebrate Ascension Thursday, ON Thursday.
Your priest should certainly know. The Liturgical Calendar for the diocese of Manchester, NH, lists the Feast of the Ascension on May 17, and lists May 20 as the Seventh Sunday of Easter, so he is certainly correct. Since Manchester is a diocese and not an archdiocese, it may well be part of the Province of Boston, which is listed above as celebrating the Feast of the Ascension on Thursday.
I can't find an authoritative list of every diocese and the date on which they celebrate the Feast of the Ascension, so anyone unsure really should check with your parish or diocese to see if Thursday, May 17th is a Holyday of Obligation. I know for certain that it is not a holyday in Louisiana.
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Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 08:26 pm |
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FYI, I checked on the Catholic Culture web site and it says that the ecclesial provinces of Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, and the State of Nebraska have kept the obligation on Holy Thursday, while all others have transferred it to Sunday. That means that dioceses near those cities are likely also maintaining their obligation on Thursday.
In the ecclesial hierarchy, an archbishop is the lead bishop of a group of dioceses known as a province. He has no real authority over the bishops of the other dioceses, but certain functions are consolidated by province, pastorals may be issued by province, Tribunal decisions are reviewed by a provincial Tribunal, and the archbishop will install new bishops within the province. Also, bishops of a province normally travel to Rome together for their ad limina visit every five years to report to the Holy Father. In other words, the archbishop stands as the "first among equals" with his brother bishops.
Decisions are also often made by province. The Province of Louisiana has common marriage policy.
Many provinces are contiguous with state boundaries, but geography and commonality of faith and practice is more important than a border. Large states like California and Texas have more than one province, while smaller states are combined into single provinces.
The choice of observing the Feast of the Ascension is one that the U. S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, with the approval of the Vatican, has delegated to provinces.
BTW, I have also written to the USCCB and asked them to post a list on their web site next year of individual dioceses and when they celebrate the Feast of the Ascension.
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 03:00 pm |
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I have an official answer from the USCCB on the dates for the Ascension of the Lord.
Msgr James Moroney, Executive Director of the Secretariat for the Liturgy of the USCCB, sent me the following:
When is the Ascension of the Lord celebrated in the dioceses of the
U.S.A.?
On November 16, 1998, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, in accord with the provisions of canon 1246 §2, approved a procedure whereby the bishops of each ecclesiastical province would determine whether the Solemnity of the Ascension of the Lord would be transferred to the Seventh Sunday of Easter in their ecclesiastical province. The decision was submitted to the Congregation for Bishops and confirmed by a decree received from His Eminence, Lucas Cardinal Moreira Neves, O.P., Prefect of that same Congregation, as approved by Pope John Paul II, allowing that "the Ecclesiastical Provinces of the United States may transfer the Solemnity of the Ascension of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ from Thursday of the Sixth Week of Easter.” The ecclesiastical provinces of Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, and Nebraska have retained the celebration of the Ascension of the Lord on the proper Thursday; all other provinces have transferred this solemnity to the Seventh Sunday of Easter.
I have requested a list of the dioceses that make up those provinces, but I doubt if I'll have a list by tomorrow (May 17) so if you live in the northeast U.S., the New York City area, New Jersey, or Eastern Pennsylvania, I would suggest that you call your parish church to verify the date of the observance in your own diocese. If you're traveling in the Northeast U.S., you might want to contact a parish church in the area you'll be visiting to verify the date.
Of course, the entire state of Nebraska celebrates the Ascension of the Lord on Thursday. All other parts of the U.S. have transferred the observance to Sunday.
This information considers Latin Rite parishes only. Typically, Eastern Rite Churches do not transfer observance, so I would assume the Feast of the Ascension of the Lord will be celebrated in most Eastern Rite parishes on Thursday.
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Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 03:43 pm |
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I underestimated the good monsignor. Here is the list of dioceses in the U.S. that celebrate the Ascension of the Lord on Thursday, May 17:
Boston
Archdiocese of Boston
Diocese of Burlington
Diocese of Fall River
Diocese of Manchester
Diocese of Portland
Diocese of Springfield in Massachusetts
Diocese of Worcester
Hartford
Archdiocese of Hartford
Diocese of Bridgeport
Diocese of Norwich
Diocese of Providence
New York
Archdiocese of New York
Diocese of Albany
Diocese of Brooklyn
Diocese of Buffalo
Diocese of Ogdensburg
Diocese of Rochester
Diocese of Rockville Centre
Diocese of Syracuse
Newark
Archdiocese of Newark
Diocese of Camden
Diocese of Metuchen
Diocese of Paterson
Diocese of Trenton
Philadelphia
Archdiocese of Philadelphia
Diocese of Allentown
Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown
Diocese of Erie
Diocese of Greensburg
Diocese of Harrisburg
Diocese of Pittsburgh
Diocese of Scranton
Omaha
Archdiocese of Omaha
Diocese of Grand Island
Diocese of Lincoln
So basically it looks to me like all of the Latin Rite dioceses in New England (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut), New York State, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Nebraska.
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