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catholicdan
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Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2007 01:36 pm |
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This is my new grandson! His name is Joaquin III. I wanted to share his picture with you all.
Dan.
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brian
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 11:06 am |
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sorry to jump in so late. few questions. Though one could argue for the position that women truly should remain veiled, since as I have seen on this discussion that the matter has not been officially addressed and is open to interpretation, that women not wearing veils are indeed free to do so or not do so at this point? That we can not sat without the church making it more clearly known that there is anything sinful about a woman who not having grown up with this tradition and not seeing it or being taught it now is doing anything wrong by simply showing up to mass unveiled?
Though I do think modesty is probably something that should be considered a virtue in all times and ages and the offense of it tobe immoral. It is not very nice to receive the Most Precious Blood or see the epistle or O.T. read by a woman who is showing more skin than I would think appropriate. These things have happened but the women I am thinking of, I think were simply unaware of their behavior because we are so de-sensitized to it. They seemed like wonderful and holy people. I considered complaining though because I think that a E.M.H.C. should be held to the highest standards.
In defense of Catholic women though, I will note that these have been exceptions and not the norm as far as I can tell. I am more offended at the lack of both sexes wearing anything nice at all, or wearing shorts or t-shirts. I still think that these people are not trying to do anything wrong, but I think it shows that our culture has become too slack. Sitting near women is distracting enough so they might consider what they wear more carewfully in some instances, but in their defense I will say that it is not their fault that guys in general are too easily stimulated and may lust after them regardless of what they wear, and men have to do their part in controlling the passions regardless of what the circumstances.
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Annie
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 02:46 pm |
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In our culture "modesty" does not mean wearing a veil, but being mostly covered up with clothing that is not so tight as to be revealing. I wear blue jeans and nice t-shirts so I am always covered. There are very few suits and dresses at my parish. We are regular folk who come as we are, some right from the fields. Some people do dress up. I would like to sometimes but God has become accustomed to seeing me this way. I address Him very formally and that is what counts. I also look around for people who look scared or lost in the crowd. If I were dressed "nicer" than they it might not work out as well.
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Credo Catholic
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Posted: Tue Jul 31st, 2007 09:16 pm |
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Dan, that's a very cute baby there! Is there a little resemblance to the family? I need a seat like that when I get home tired from work!
brian wrote:
Though I do think modesty is probably something that should be considered a virtue in all times and ages and the offense of it tobe immoral. It is not very nice to receive the Most Precious Blood or see the epistle or O.T. read by a woman who is showing more skin than I would think appropriate. These things have happened but the women I am thinking of, I think were simply unaware of their behavior because we are so de-sensitized to it. They seemed like wonderful and holy people. I considered complaining though because I think that a E.M.H.C. should be held to the highest standards.
In defense of Catholic women though, I will note that these have been exceptions and not the norm as far as I can tell. I am more offended at the lack of both sexes wearing anything nice at all, or wearing shorts or t-shirts. I still think that these people are not trying to do anything wrong, but I think it shows that our culture has become too slack. Sitting near women is distracting enough so they might consider what they wear more carewfully in some instances, but in their defense I will say that it is not their fault that guys in general are too easily stimulated and may lust after them regardless of what they wear, and men have to do their part in controlling the passions regardless of what the circumstances.
I agree that men and women need to be aware of their demeanor which includes clothing. I have seen men and women wearing shorts to daily mass, flip-flops (myself guilty of this) and one woman who wore a top that was so totally strapless that when she sat down it looked from the back of her pew that she was wearing nothing. I wondered for a moment if she would receive the Holy Eucharist that way. She did. How did we get this way in general? By little things, little steps that didn't seem so bad, one by one, we have slipped away from the standards once held. As Annie says, it's not wearing finery that counts, but modesty. And Brian, as for women not causing lust in men, that is somewhat true, our appearance speaks to others before our voices do. But there is something in religious orders called "custody of the eyes" which involves a person being responsible for controlling where they look, and how they look at others. So we all have work to do on this problem. Wearing a veil is a beautiful symbol of modesty but is not a practical way of achieving modest dress.
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catholicdan
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Posted: Wed Aug 1st, 2007 06:30 pm |
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Yes, he looks a lot like his father when he was a little boy. 
Big cheeks, big eyes and dark hair.
Dan.
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beachmoss
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Posted: Mon Aug 6th, 2007 12:44 am |
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Just to jump in late in the game...
Personally I think by wearing the veil I have become more modest in my "church clothes." Sure outside church I still wear shorts and T-shirts, I am very hot-natured and it's comfortable. But when I dress for church I know that I'll be veiling myself and the rest of my clothes should match. It would be stupid to have my head covered yet have my shoulders bared, cleavage exposed, or my tail hanging out.
Even when I attend a Protestant service, although I don't wear a mantilla there, I am more conscious of my dress than I used to be.
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Posted: Mon Aug 6th, 2007 01:03 am |
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| That's a good point. By wearing the veil it makes you more aware of your appearance and demeanor.
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Posted: Mon Aug 6th, 2007 08:26 am |
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beachmoss wrote: It would be stupid to have my head covered yet have my shoulders bared, cleavage exposed, or my tail hanging out.
This conveys quite a mental image. Where do you tuck your tail the rest of the time? 
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