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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 10:29 pm |
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Hi All,
I am not certain this should be here, but as I was listening to the last caller on Journey Home tonight, they were talking about Liturgy. So I just wanted to share that most people are not familiar with the Divine Liturgy of St. James the Apostle.
The Liturgy of St. James the Apostle is still celebrated today, as it was written in many Eastern Catholic (Byzantine or Greek Catholic) and Orthodox monasteries throughout the world, in Aramaic. Often in the Eastern Chruches it is sung once a year on the Feast of St. James. The music is very - for lack of better word - antiquated, for that reason it is very difficult for our readers to be able to only sing it once a year.
Now, to go forward from that about three hundred years, the Chruch has grown it is humungas so I am trying to explain it in a simplistic way. The people would walk through the streets from one end of town to the other to the Church, these 'organic' hymns developed. I call them 'organic' because the people themselves made them up, and they began to be sung each time they went to Church in these huge processions through town as more and more people joined in the processions.
So, by the third century, St. John Chrysostom and St. Basil the Great, 're-organized' the Divine Liturgy of St. James the Apostle to add these hymns. They are called Troparions and Kontokians. Also, they come in eight tones. Now these tones will always be the same, but they will very depending on the 'ethenicity' of the people. For instance the Ruthenians and Ukrainians would be more solemn, while the Melkites would be a bit more 'jubilent' for lack of a better way of explaining it. Whatever the nature of the music that the ethenicty sang - that is the way the tones developed.
Now this Liturgy has within it over 220 references to Scripture. Their Liturgy's are sung everyday. I say sung, because we sing the Liturgy - which means work of the people - we have no musical instuments in our Churches. I am sure if there are some Eastern theologian type people on the forum they can explain it better.
All the elements of this Eastern Liturgy are the same as those of the Latin Mass, they are just presented somewhat differently.
Here is a link so you can see the Hagia Sophia, it is kind of our 'Mother Church'
http://www.byzantines.net/epiphany/hagiasophia.htm
This is from New Advent on the Liturgy of St. James
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0717.htm
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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 10:36 pm |
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Pani Rose wrote: I am not certain this should be here,
Absolutely! Anything you can add to increase our knowledge and awareness of the Eastern Churches is more than welcomed. Thank you, and please continue to inform us culturally deprived Latins of the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches!
In fact, you may notice that I've changed the title of the forum to encourage our Eastern brothers and sisters to post more about Eastern liturgies.
If I had the opportunity, I would gratefully attend the Liturgies of each of our Eastern sister Churches. I've managed to attend a Byzantine liturgy only once, and it was a great joy for me. I will gladly absorb all the information you can post on our Eastern "other lung," and I hope others will feel the same way.
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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 10:43 pm |
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| Thanks for sharing the story of the Divine Liturgy of St. James the Apostle. I looked at the website you gave earlier regarding the Ruthenian/Byzantine Rite and it is very interesting. Another wonderful discovery in the catholic world I have entered. I remember during Pope John Paul II's funeral mass, there was a group of Eastern Rite bishops who sang together. It was part of what I found intriguing about the church, there are so many parts to it. Thanks Pani Rose! God bless
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Here is a link to the funeral, if you push the slide about 3/4 inch from the end you will catch the prayers. The Bishops and Deacon are doing the prayers in Slavonic.
'Christ is Risen from the Dead and my his death he has trampled upon death and to those in the tomb he granted life." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/world/040805-7v.htm
The man standing in with the red vestments behind the bishops is a deacon ( which my husband is). We are Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic, but serve in a Melkite Greek Catholic Parish. Glory to God!
All the Patriarchs, Metropolitans, and Bishops were there that could be, including the Orthodox. Here are several forms of the prayers they used, but may have been altered some since he was Pope, or they may have used another. These are from the Melkites which has the Arabic included in it.
Priest: Blessed is our God at all times, now and always and forever and ever.
People: Amen.
Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia. * (Only once. to be repeated after each verse).
I. Blessed are those You have chosen and drawn near, to dwell in your courts, O Lord. We shall be filled with the good things of your House.
2. Their souls shall abide in abundance, and their generation shall inherit the earth.
3. Their memory will remain forever and ever.
* During the Paschal time we skip Alleluia and its verses. Instead, we chant the Troparion of Pascha three times, then immediately: Blessed are You, O Lord...
Evlogitaria of the Resurrection
Fifth Tone
1. Blessed are You, O Lord, teach me your statutes.
The orders of angels were amazed, as they beheld You, O Savior among the dead, destroying the power of death, and raising up Adam with You, and releasing all from Hades.
2. Blessed are You, O Lord, teach me your statutes.
The radiant angel standing within the tomb, cried out to the Myrrh-bearers: Why O women Disciples, do you mingle myrrh with your tears of pity? Look upon the tomb and rejoice, for the Savior has risen from the dead.
3. Blessed are You , O Lord, teach me your statutes.
Very early in the morning, the myrrh-bearers ran lamenting to your tomb. But the angel stood by them and said: Do not weep, the time of lamenting has passed. Announce the Resurrection to the Apostles.
4. Blessed are You, O Lord, teach me your statutes.
The myrrh-bearing women came with myrrh to your tomb, O Savior, and heard the angel say to them: Why do you think that the Living One is among the dead, for as God He has risen from the dead.
5. Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit
We worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity One in Substance, and with the Seraphim we cry out: Holy, Holy, Holy are You O Lord.
6. Now and always and forever and ever. Amen.
Since you gave birth to the Giver of life, O Virgin, you delivered Adam from sin, and you granted joy to Eve instead of sadness, for He Who took flesh from you, God and Man, restored to life him who had gone astray.
Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia, glory be to You O God.
(Three times)
The Deacon incenses while singing:
Deacon: Have mercy on us, O God, in your great mercy, we pray to You, hear and have mercy.
People: Lord, have mercy (Three times)
Deacon: Again, let us pray for the repose of the soul of the departed servant of God N. (or handmaid of God N) and that to him (her) may be remitted every transgression, deliberate and indeliberate.
People: Lord, have mercy (Three times)
Deacon: That the Lord may grant his (her) soul to rest where the just repose.
People: Lord, have mercy (Three times)
Deacon: Let us ask the mercies of God, the Kingdom of heaven and the forgiveness of his (her) sins through Christ, our immortal King and God.
People: Lord, have mercy (Three times)
Deacon:Let us pray to the Lord.
People: Lord, have mercy (once)
Priest: O God of all spirits and all flesh, Who have destroyed death, overcome the devil, and given life to the world: grant, O Lord to the soul of your servant N. ( or handmaid N. ), who departed from this life, that it may rest in a place of light, in a place of happiness, in a place of peace, where there is no pain, no grief, no sighing. And since You are gracious God and Lover of mankind, forgive him (her) every sin he (she) has committed by thought, or word, or deed, for there is not a man who lives and does not sin: You alone are without sin, your righteousness is everlasting, and your word is true.
For You are the Resurrection and the Life, and the Repose of your departed servant N. ( or handmaid N. ), O Christ our God, and we render glory to You, together with your Eternal Father and your All-holy, Good and Life-giving Spirit, now and always and forever and ever.
People: Amen.
Priest: O Christ God, with the saints grant rest to the soul of your servant in a place where there is no pain, no grief, no sighing, but everlasting life.
Ma'al qideeseen areh ayuhal- Maseeh ul-Hah, nafsa 'abdeeka [amatika], haythu la waja'on, wala hoznon, wa la tanahud, bal hayatun la tafna. Priest: Glory to You, O Christ God, our hope, Glory to You. May Christ our true God, Who is risen from the dead, have mercy on us through the prayers of his all-pure Mother, of his holy and glorious Apostles who are worthy of all praise, of our venerable and God-bearing fathers, and all the Saints; and may He establish in the mansions of just the soul of his departed servant N. (or handmaid N)
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Glory to You, Christ God our Hope, glory to You.
Christ our true God, who has dominion over the living and the dead and is risen from the dead, deign through the intercession of his all-immaculate Mother, of our venerable and God-bearing Fathers, and of all his saints, to establish in the mansions of the just the soul of his departed servant [handmaid] N.,
People: Amen.
Priest: Grant him (her) rest in the bosom of Abraham.
People: Amen.
Priest: and number him (her) among the saints,
People: Amen.
Priest: and to have mercy on us,
People: Amen.
Priest: for He is gracious and the lover of mankind.
Priest and People: (alternately)
May his (her) memory be eternal (Three times)
Priest: Through the prayers of our holy Fathers among the saints, O Lord, Jesus Christ, our God, have mercy on us and save us.
People: Amen.
This is another form that is used, but was not there
Priest: Blessed is our God at all times, now and always and forever and ever. / Mubarakon xxx Allah xxx, alana wa kulla awanin wa ila dahr iddahireen.
People: Amen./ Amin
Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia. / Allilouia, Allilouia, Allilouia * (Only once. to be repeated after each verse).
I. Blessed are those You have chosen and drawn near, to dwell in your courts, O Lord. We shall be filled with the good things of your House.
2. Their souls shall abide in abundance, and their generation shall inherit the earth.
3. Their memory will remain forever and ever.
* During the Paschal time we skip Alleluia / Allilouia, and its verses. Instead, we chant the three times, then immediately: Blessed are You, O Lord...
Troparion of Pascha is
Christ is risen from the dead, and by His death He has trampled upon death and has given life to those who are in the tombs!
Al-Maseehu qama min bayn il-amwat wa wati almawta bil mawt wa wa hab al-ah-yat lil-lazeena filqubour!
Christos Anesti ek nekron thanato than aton pateesas keh thees en dees mnimassi zo-een kharisamenos!
Evlogitaria of the Resurrection
Fifth Tone
Evlogitaria of the Resurrection is Blessed are You, O Lord, teach me your statutes. / Mubarakon anta ya Rabb alemni roosoomak.
1. Blessed are You, O Lord, teach me your statutes. / Mubarakon anta ya Rabb alemni roosoomak.
The orders of angels were amazed, as they beheld You, O Savior among the dead, destroying the power of death, and raising up Adam with You, and releasing all from Hades.
2. Blessed are You, O Lord, teach me your statutes. / Mubarakon anta ya Rabb alemni roosoomak.
The radiant angel standing within the tomb, cried out to the Myrrh-bearers: Why O women Disciples, do you mingle myrrh with your tears of pity? Look upon the tomb and rejoice, for the Savior has risen from the dead.
3. Blessed are You , O Lord, teach me your statutes. / Mubarakon anta ya Rabb alemni roosoomak.
Very early in the morning, the myrrh-bearers ran lamenting to your tomb. But the angel stood by them and said: Do not weep, the time of lamenting has passed. Announce the Resurrection to the Apostles.
4. Blessed are You, O Lord, teach me your statutes. / Mubarakon anta ya Rabb alemni roosoomak.
The myrrh-bearing women came with myrrh to your tomb, O Savior, and heard the angel say to them: Why do you think that the Living One is among the dead, for as God He has risen from the dead.
5. Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit / Al-majdu lil Abi wai ibni war rouh il Qudos. / Doxa Patri keh lyo keh Agio Pnevmati
We worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Trinity One in Substance, and with the Seraphim we cry out: Holy, Holy, Holy are You O Lord. Quddooson (Qudooson), Qudooson, Qudooson ya Rabb.
6. Now and always and forever and ever. / Alana wa kulla awanin wa ila dahr iddahireen. / Kek neen keh a-yee keh ees tous eonas ton eonon.
Amen. / Amin.
Since you gave birth to the Giver of life, O Virgin, you delivered Adam from sin, and you granted joy to Eve instead of sadness, for He Who took flesh from you, God and Man, restored to life him who had gone astray.
Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia / Allilouia, Allilouia, Allilouia
glory be to You O God. / al majdu laka ya Allah. / doxa Si, O Theos.
(Three times)
The Deacon incenses while singing:
Deacon: Have mercy on us, O God, in your great mercy, we pray to You, hear and have mercy.
People: Lord, have mercy / Kyrie eleison / Ya Rabb-urham (Three times)
Deacon: Again, let us pray for the repose of the soul of the departed servant of God N. (or handmaid of God N) and that to him (her) may be remitted every transgression, deliberate and indeliberate.
People: Lord, have mercy / Kyrie eleison / Ya Rabb-urham (Three times)
Deacon: That the Lord may grant his (her) soul to rest where the just repose.
People: Lord, have mercy / Kyrie eleison / Ya Rabb-urham (Three times)
Deacon: Let us ask the mercies of God, the Kingdom of heaven and the forgiveness of his (her) sins through Christ, our immortal King and God. Let us pray to the Lord.
People: Lord, have mercy (Three times)
People: Lord, have mercy / Kyrie eleison / Ya Rabb-urham (Three times)
People: Lord, have mercy / Kyrie eleison / Ya Rabb-urham (once)
Priest: O God of all spirits and all flesh, Who have destroyed death, overcome the devil, and given life to the world: grant, O Lord to the soul of your servant N. ( or handmaid N. ), who departed from this life, that it may rest in a place of light, in a place of happiness, in a place of peace, where there is no pain, no grief, no sighing. And since You are gracious God and Lover of mankind, forgive him (her) every sin he (she) has committed by thought, or word, or deed, for there is not a man who lives and does not sin: You alone are without sin, your righteousness is everlasting, and your word is true.
For You are the Resurrection and the Life, and the Repose of your departed servant N. ( or handmaid N. ), O Christ our God, and we render glory to You, together with your Eternal Father and your All-holy, Good and Life-giving Spirit, now and always and forever and ever.
People: Amen. / Amin.
Priest: O Christ God, with the saints grant rest to the soul of your servant in a place where there is no pain, no grief, no sighing, but everlasting life.
Ma'al qideeseen areh ayuhal- Maseeh ul-Ilah, nafsa 'abdeeka [amatika], haythu la waja'on, wala hoznon, wa la tanahud, bal hayatun la tafna.
Priest: Glory to You, O Christ God, our hope, Glory to You. May Christ our true God, Who is risen from the dead, have mercy on us through the prayers of his all-pure Mother, of his holy and glorious Apostles who are worthy of all praise, of our venerable and God-bearing fathers, and all the Saints; and may He establish in the mansions of just the soul of his departed servant N. (or handmaid N)
or
Glory to You, Christ God our Hope, glory to You.
Christ our true God, who has dominion over the living and the dead and is risen from the dead, deign through the intercession of his all-immaculate Mother, of our venerable and God-bearing Fathers, and of all his saints, to establish in the mansions of the just the soul of his departed servant [handmaid] N.,
People: Amen. / Amin.
Priest: Grant him (her) rest in the bosom of Abraham.
People: Amen. / Amin.
Priest: and number him (her) among the saints,
People: Amen. / Amin.
Priest: and to have mercy on us,
People: Amen. / Amin.
Priest: for He is gracious and the lover of mankind.
Priest and People: (alternately)
May his (her) memory be eternal (Three times)
Leeyakon dhikruhu (ha) muabadan.
Priest: Through the prayers of our holy Fathers among the saints, O Lord, Jesus Christ, our God, have mercy on us and save us.
People: Amen. / Amin.
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Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2007 10:58 am |
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| During a confirmation mass for young people last year, one of the girls was confirmed into the Maronite rite. Our Maronite priest conducted her part of the ceremony, and in the program it specified instead of the faithful saying "Amen" we were to say "A-meen." It was probably a phonetic spelling for your Amin. Some of her family are from Lebanon and I have known her mother for years, and never knew she was catholic. You don't know how many catholics there are until you become one, and all of a sudden they're all around you!
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Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2007 12:58 pm |
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A-meen! Yes, they use Aramaic in the Liturgy. All they hymns of consecration are sung in Aramaic. It is a beautiful Liturgy.
We are blessed to have a Marionite Church here also, St. Elias. http://www.stelias.org/entrance.html
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Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2007 01:16 pm |
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| I have a question about your conversion. I saw that you were raised in S.C. as a Southern Baptist. At what point did you move away from the protestant type of praise and fellowship worship to liturgical worship? I know you visited the PNC of your husband's grandmother. Was it the beauty of the mass that attracted you to learn more about it? I had always thought the catholic religion had a lot of beauty but it wasn't until I began to study it that the beauty took on so much meaning. Now the protestant church looks devoid of so much to me. I'm glad to hear of a fellow GRITS (girl raised in the south!) who discovered the joy of knowing the Lord better through catholicism.
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Glory to Jesus Christ!
My family is from around Lancaster and Rock Hill. I went to high school in Great Falls. I come from a long line of Baptist preachers.
You know I really struggled with being away from church, any church as long as I was. I really missed the fellowship, the old people hollering amen in the back of the church, the singing, just being there. I missed the Gospels and preaching, deep inside I missed it all.
I remember just after basic training my mom who lived in Oregon by then, sent me a small bust of the Blessed Mother. I thought how beautiful, that was in '68, I still have her with me. I think, unknowingly, that may have been the beginning. However, I did go to a High Mass with a friend when she graduated from Catholic Middle School. The only one I have ever seen, it was mind boggeling beautiful.
Somehow, that first time at St. Joseph's, it was as though the icons were 'antimated'. Not that they really moved, but that EVERYTHING I had ever learned in the Scriptures, became alive. I saw it with my eyes. It was no longer words. It was a sence that God had created us, body, mind, and soul. That what the Psalms said of worship was true. King David worshiped God with his whole body, with all his sences, everything about him was given to God at that moment.
I always loved the song 'Faith of our Fathers' and I thought well what was their faith. Back then we didn't have computers, but sence then I have searched a lot, and guess what - so much of my family that have crests - they all have the flag of the Crusades on it. They were all Catholic 
So really, when I entered St. Josephs, even though I did not completely understand. There stood the alter just as it was described in Scriptures, it was in the Holy Place, the veil was there, it was MYSTERY. The smell of insence, which I had never seen used that way before, reminded me of our prayers rising before the Throne of Grace to God.
I guess what I am saying is that somehow in the first time, I saw the Bible! It was alive! Jesus never said the Eucharist was a symbol, he said it was HIM. The Word was being fed to us, everyway possible in the Liturgy. It was just amazing to both of us. In the Byzantine Church, when we enter into the sanctuary of the church, we understand we are no longer on our time, but on God's time. I think from that very first time, I realized my life was no longer my time, but Gods.
Only he could have worked all the miracles he did, to get us to the point we are.
GOD LET YOUR GLORY FALL!
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