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Posted: Sun Nov 4th, 2007 12:52 am |
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Leeds, Nov 1, 2007 / 09:55 am (CNA).- The International Commission on English in the Liturgy (ICEL) is releasing the draft of the English translation of the third edition of the Roman Missal to bishops in English-speaking countries today.
Known as a "Green Book" for the color of its cover, the draft translates the Latin version of the Missal that was published in 2002. The Missal is the official book used by priests to celebrate the Mass.
In a letter announcing the release, Bishop of Leeds Arthur Roche, chairman of the ICEL commission, mentioned that he had solicited comments from bishops of the various bishops' conferences, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments and their advisers.
Emphasizing the importance of the consultation process, Bishop Roche expressed gratitude towards those who had commented: "A wide range of issues, both theological and linguistic, have been brought to the attention of the Commission, who in response have sought to shape texts that will meet the needs of the worldwide English-speaking Catholic community," he said.
ICEL's eleven member conferences include Australia, Canada, England and Wales, India, Ireland, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, Scotland, South Africa and the United States of America.
Bishop Roche said the introduction of the new translation will be an opportunity for renewed catechesis.
The final version of the Missal is expected to be completed by the end of 2008.
The above article is reposted with permission from Catholic News Agency.
NOTE: The "completion" of the Missal at the end of 2008 does not mean it will begin to be used at that time. It is still subject to Vatican approval and must then be published in book form and distributed to parishes throughout the English speaking world. The Vatican has been involved in the process of translation so assuming there are no problems or major objections from the bishops' conferences or the Vatican, the translation could be implemented in 2009 or 2010. Typically, new Missals are introduced at the beginning of the Liturgical Year on the First Sunday of Advent.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2008 11:23 pm |
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Dear Rick,
I'm in the process of converting from Anglo-Catholic Episcopalianism, and am finding much about Roman Catholicism bewildering, in that much of the argument about liturgy does not at all map onto what I know.
Is this just a new translation of the current English Novus Ordo used in most parishes? Or is it a different text altogether?
Also, is there any chance there will be an English translation of the Tridentine Rite? What are the theological and liturgical issues involved in that?
Many thanks,
R. McD.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:00 am |
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Hi Ryan. Welcome to the CHNI Forum.
The draft is of a new, more literal translation from the original Latin into English, to conform to recently promulgated (1999) Vatican translation requirements.
The older form of the Mass (“Tridentine” — although its current recension is actually from 1963), now known as the Extraordinary Form (as versus the Ordinary Form, which some refer to as the “Novus Ordo”), will probably never be celebrated in the vernacular, because its retention is a matter of preserving the ancient tradition.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:11 am |
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Do you know, or can you even reliably speculate, what sorts of changes might be made? Is this where the response to "The Lord be with you" might be changed to "And with thy spirit"? That sort of thing??
Jill
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:46 am |
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Yes, Jill, that is one of the changes that will be included. (It has been specifically mentioned in numerous press releases by the translation committees, by the bishops overseeing the project, and by the Vatican, as “definite.” “Gender neutral” language will also be severely curtailed, although it will not be entirely eliminated in the so-called “horizontal” application, where it can be proved that the intent of the passage is entirely certain to apply to either gender.) The thees and thous, however, belong to the past.
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 02:24 am |
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rjm3u wrote: Also, is there any chance there will be an English translation of the Tridentine Rite?
Further to what David mentioned, there exists a form of the Mass know as the Anglican Use of the Latin Mass. (or some such  ) which if memory serves is a Catholicized version of the Anglican/Episcopal Service, which in turn is (mostly) an old english version of the traditional latin Mass.
To my knowledge this form of the rite is only available to Anglican/Episcopal Ministers who have converted to the Catholic faith, and have subsequently become Catholic Priests (including some married ones under the Pastoral Provision) so you might need to do some looking to find one in your area
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Posted: Mon Apr 14th, 2008 05:56 pm |
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rjm3u wrote: Dear Rick,
I'm in the process of converting from Anglo-Catholic Episcopalianism, and am finding much about Roman Catholicism bewildering, in that much of the argument about liturgy does not at all map onto what I know.
Is this just a new translation of the current English Novus Ordo used in most parishes? Or is it a different text altogether?
Also, is there any chance there will be an English translation of the Tridentine Rite? What are the theological and liturgical issues involved in that?
Many thanks,
R. McD.
Welcome to the forum, Ryan. The revision is indeed a new translation, as the older translation currently in use is not really very faithful to the original Latin. It was a rushed translation that was never intended to be permanent, and the Church (which never hurries) is finally getting around to correcting the mistakes.
As for a translation of the Extraordinary Form (commonly known as the Tridentine Rite, although that's not really a correct term) will never be forthcoming. The Extraordinary Form may only be celebrated in Latin, but English translations are (and always have been) available to be read while the priest chants in Latin.
And Anglican Use is indeed a recognized liturgy for those areas where entire Anglican congregations have become Catholic, primarily in Texas and Massachusetts. More information is available at their web site, http://www.anglicanuse.org.
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