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Kayla
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| Location: | Emmitsburg, Maryland USA |
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| First Name: | Kayla | | Gender: | Female | | Faith History: | Atheist, kind-of Mormon, Catholic |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 11:20 pm |
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Just curious on what you think of the way the celebrating priest led us in the Creed this past Sunday. It reminded me of the Profession of Faith made by those entering the Church...
He began by inviting us to stand, then he said:
"Do you believe in God the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth"
We all stood there, unsure of what he was doing, then responded "We Do"
"And do you believe in His only Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary?" Again "We Do". And he went through the entire Apostles Creed.
First problem... the question answer form- is that legit for a Sunday Mass? Second problem... he used the Apostles Creed, not the Nicene Creed, again, legit?
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CajunRick
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| Location: | Houma, Louisiana USA |
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Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 12:55 am |
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Kayla wrote: "Do you believe in God the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth"
We all stood there, unsure of what he was doing, then responded "We Do"
"And do you believe in His only Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary?" Again "We Do". And he went through the entire Apostles Creed.
That is the Renewal of Baptismal Promises normally done with the entire congregation at Easter, but can be valid at other times. It can also be followed by the Asperges (Sprinkling) Rite.
First problem... the question answer form- is that legit for a Sunday Mass?
Under certain circumstances, yes. The reasons are not clearly defined, so it's really up to the bishop and pastor to determine when they are appropriate.
Second problem... he used the Apostles Creed, not the Nicene Creed, again, legit?
Again, it can be legit under the right circumstances. Use of the Apostles' Creed is normally restricted to masses for children, but it may be appropriate under other circumstances. It is left to the bishop to determine whether its use is appropriate.
OK, now for my opinion:
When I was in college (lo, those many days ago) we would take our horse-drawn carriages to mass (fortunately, there was no mud because dirt hadn't been invented yet) where our pastor (with the bishop's approval) made a real effort to expose us to as many different types of liturgy as possible. We had organ music and guitar masses, Latin and English, lay readers and Eucharistic Ministers years before they were approved for general use, and we actually had Vatican approval to experiment. (We were created as an experimental "Personal Parish"). It was part of the effort to determine how such "innovations" would be accepted by the congregation. The same experimentation was taking place in more conservative communities around the country. Some were accepted and became part of the changes, and others did not. Even though some of the music was atrocious, the masses were always standing room only, and the collection basket overflowed (quite rare for a Newman ministry).
Some of the experimentation went too far. Some did not go far enough. We did not have women in altar ministries, or as altar servers. Those ministries were restricted to men by Canon Law before the new code was approved in 1983. But we did occasionally have homemade, leavened bread for the Eucharist, which we would take ourselves from the plate. The experience made me interested in liturgy and the reasons why certain things are permitted and others are not. It probably set me on the path that brings me to CHN today, and caused my love for the Church and her liturgy. It was my first experience in learning that the Church actually has reasons for everything she does, and that the "powers that be" actually care very much how the faithful will react to potential changes.
Within the guidelines published by the Vatican (and any approved experimentation), I believe it is appropriate for a college community to experience as many different types of liturgy as possible. I would hope that the same priest would make arrangements for Latin masses and Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgies, as well as Vespers and Matins services. The young people experiencing such liturgies will then be prepared to return to their home parishes, or to new parishes around the country, understanding fully what liturgy can be. Of course, any time the limits are stretched there is the possibility of going too far and causing a break. I hope your pastor is versed well enough in liturgy to make sure he does not cross the line. I have a feeling the new bishop in your diocese will not tolerate unacceptable innovation.
I wish my pastor had gone even farther and made Eastern Catholic liturgies available to us. Even after attending the seminary, I didn't even know the Eastern Churches existed as there were/are none in my area. I know I was flabbergasted to learn that there was so much diversity in the Church. I hope your pastor exposes you to as much of it as possible. The state of Maryland is rich in Catholic diversity, and you and your fellow students should have the benefit of it.
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Understanding is the reward of faith. Therefore seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand. - Augustine
Rick Luquette
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