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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 11:49 am |
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| Do many churches still dismisss Catechumens after the homily? I have never heard a dismissal nor I have I seen people leaving at that time.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 01:19 pm |
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I haven't seen that. I thnk it was one of those practices of the early Church that went by the wayside (like lengthy public penances).
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 04:13 pm |
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I've witnessed the dismissal at several parishes where I've been involved in the RCIA program. (Not all) When done well it can be a beautiful way of incorporating the RCIA program into the life of the parish.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 04:18 pm |
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The Methodist church where I went as a kid used to have "junior church" where we would march out in the middle of the service. Of course, as someone who hadn't the slightest interest in theology in my younger years, that was fine with me: I could go play and have fun . . . this reminded me of that. 
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 05:18 pm |
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On the day we had our Rite of Acceptance (November 11) we also received a formal dismissal from Father after the homily.
This past Sunday, he was supposed to dismiss us (there is a blessing as part of the dismissal), but he forgot and went straight to the creed so we had to file out quietly during the creed.
Our RCIA group attends the 9:00 am Mass and stays through the homily, then we go downstairs for class.
I usually attend another Mass during the week as well, because I do a spiritual communion prayer during communion.
I believe it's different at different parishes.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 08:17 pm |
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Dave Armstrong wrote: I haven't seen that. I thnk it was one of those practices of the early Church that went by the wayside (like lengthy public penances).
Actually the "proper" way to conduct RCIA is to dismiss catechumens after the Liturgy of the Word (which used to be called "Mass of the Catechumens" prior to Vatican II) for additional catechesis on scripture. In the early Church, catechumens were not permitted to even be present for the "mysteries" (now called the Liturgy of the Eucharist) until the Easter Vigil, and after their baptism, the catechesis moved into the sacraments ("mystagogy") and continued for an additional year, during which they were known as "neophytes". The actual admission process typically ran from three to four years.
Today, RCIA calls for catechumens to experience a period of Inquiry prior to the First Sunday of Advent, at which time they are admitted to the Church as catechumens at the Rite of Acceptance. Preparation intensifies with the Rite of Sending and Rite of Election on the First Sunday of Lent (when they sign the Book of the Elect and become known as "Elect of the Lord"). Lent, which was originally established as the period of final penitential preparation for admission to the Church, is an intense period of preparation with the presentations of the Lord's Prayer, the Creed, and the Crucifix, the Signing of the Senses, and the Scrutinies, with Exorcisms scattered liberally through the entire process.
The entire liturgical year is actually built around the Catechumenate. Bet you didn't know that!
(By definition, Catechumens are not baptized. In the early Church one was either baptized or not. There were no "non-Catholic Christians" to join the Church. If they weren't Catholic, they were Jews or pagans. Today, RCIA, the "Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults", and RCIC, the "Rite of Christian Initiation of Children", belong to the unbaptized. It is incorrect to group previously baptized Christians who are already partially initiated and seek to join the Catholic Church into RCIA. They are to be kept separate and distinct in all rituals, and may not be merged into the group of catechumens for rituals until after they are baptized. They may attend group meetings or classes together, however. Also, it is not proper to dismiss baptized Christians from mass after the Liturgy of the Word.)
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Posted: Thu Nov 22nd, 2007 12:02 am |
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| Yup- my parish did/does.
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