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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 09:02 pm |
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Hello All:
Last night I was checking my parish web-site and noticed a new section that has a written document by Cardinal Arinze about "Highlights of the Liturgical Renewal"
And also some links to click with Father's voice teaching us prayers we use at mass and a couple more in Latin for the correct pronunciation. http://www.st-thomascamas.org/moretreasures/latin.htm
This year we also received new parish prayer books with all these same prayers and more in English and in Latin.
What I'm wondering is, Does anyone know if we are going to start saying these prayers more often in latin during mass? I can't help but think that Father is preparing us for the change.
We are so blessed to have a priest that's always teaching us. I know other people already know these prayers in Latin, But new folks like me have no idea about Latin.
If we are changing, I'm kind of excited about it. I've always wondered about "The Mass in Latin". I think I'll ask father if there is any way we can put them on CD or Audio Tape so I can listen in the car. I do my best memorization that way.
Thank You
Betty
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 09:22 pm |
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BettyBoopToo wrote: What I'm wondering is, Does anyone know if we are going to start saying these prayers more often in latin during mass? I can't help but think that Father is preparing us for the change.
There are changes coming. The mass is being re-translated to be more faithful to the Latin original. For example, soon we will be saying "And with your spirit" instead of "and also with you" in response to "The Lord be with you". Before communion, we will once again say "Lord, I am not worthy that you should come under my roof...."
The vernacular mass will not include more Latin, but Latin masses will be encouraged and will become easier for the priest to celebrate. Currently he needs permission from his bishop, but that restriction is likely to be removed very soon. Also, Pope Benedict is working on a document that reportedly will encourage more Latin music in the mass, and more traditional Catholic music such as Gregorian Chant.
Of course, no one can say anything for sure until the actual translations are approved and promulgated, and Benedict's document is released, but the address from Arinze certainly indicates the direction in which the Vatican is headed.
The agency which translates liturgical works from Latin to English is called ICEL, the International Commission on English in the Liturgy. Once a translation is approved, it is sent to the bishop's conferences in each country for their own local modifications, then to the Vatican for approval. Some things, like the currently proposed mass translations, bounce back and forth between the Vatican and the local bishop's conference for years before an agreement is reached. Not all English speaking countries are members of ICEL, but most of the larger countries are represented.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18th, 2006 09:37 pm |
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| By the way, it appears there are currently three churches which offer Latin masses in Washington; one in the diocese of Seattle and two in the diocese of Yakima. You can find a listing here. It appears that the only listings here are authorized Latin masses conducted by properly ordained priests and with the permission of the local bishop, but it wouldn't hurt to call first to make sure that the mass is still being held at the appropriate time, and with the approval ("indult") of the bishop.
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 03:46 pm |
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cajunrick wrote: By the way, it appears there are currently three churches which offer Latin masses in Washington; one in the diocese of Seattle and two in the diocese of Yakima. You can find a listing here. It appears that the only listings here are authorized Latin masses conducted by properly ordained priests and with the permission of the local bishop, but it wouldn't hurt to call first to make sure that the mass is still being held at the appropriate time, and with the approval ("indult") of the bishop.
Thank You Rick:
Would it be alright if I printed your answers so I can keep them.
We travel to Seattle often to visit our Son, He's a Student at the UofW. I normally attend St. James Cathedral while there. I've looked up catholic churches in the phone book, But their are many and I'm never sure what I may be getting myself into. I just figued if I stuck with where Arch Biship Alexander was I'd be alright .
I'll check on the Latin church too, Maybe next time we go up I can go there. It could be a good experience for my husband & son too. My husband does not remember when mass was in latin. I know he went as a young child because his sister who's 2 yrs older remembers.
Funny thing is that when I started I thought I'd never get all the responses memorized. Now that I do, even while in prayer. I'll have to get the new things figured out now. I'm glad father is giving us a little bit of a heads up.
God Bless
Betty
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 07:55 pm |
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BettyBoopToo wrote: Would it be alright if I printed your answers so I can keep them.
As far as I know there is no restriction on printing anything you find in the forum as long as it's for personal, non-commercial use.
Specifically, you have my permission to print anything I write for your own personal use or for free distribution in RCIA or other classes. If anybody gets paid for anything, I want my cut!
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DrDave
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Posted: Sun Nov 19th, 2006 11:22 pm |
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The Tridentine rite of the Mass, commonly referred to as the latin mass was effectively superceeded by the Novus Ordo mass following Vatican II.
While it was the council's intention that the mass be available in the common language it never decreed that latin be removed as it has effectivly been.
Conciliar and Post-Conciliar documents attest that the common prayers "Christ have Mercy" "Our Father" "Lamb of God" etc be said in latin often enough that all catholics should know them.
Nothing need to change for the latin to come back other than the attitudes of Priests, and/or their superiors.
Dave
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