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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 12:06 pm |
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Big Dog wrote: But it has nothing to do with being PROFANE as so many have written.
In Church terminology (which predates common usage), profane simply means "of the world". We are called to be in the world, not of the world, and music of the world (meaning the stuff you hear on the radio) has no part in liturgy. It would be profane for a priest to wear street clothes to celebrate mass, for example, without covering it with an alb, stole, and chasuble. It is profane for an altar server to wear a Hannah Montana t-shirt to serve mass, or to receive the Eucharist with unnecessarily dirty hands.
There are those in this forum who don't like contemporary music and feel it should be banned from the Church. There are also those who can't stand the classic stuff and feel it should all be contemporary. Both groups have the right to their preferences. The Church says that contemporary music is fine, as long as it's not profane. Music used in church should be written for use in liturgy with liturgical themes and carrying forward the worship of God, not distracting from it. If that can be done with electric guitars and drums, fine. If not, it is not acceptable. The same is true of trumpets, violins, tympani, violas, xylophones, accordions, electric keyboards, clarinets, bassoons, saxophones, tubas, and piccolos. If they enhance the liturgy they are acceptable; if not, they are unwelcomed.
Liturgy should never take a back seat to anything. It is the work of worship. In the Holy Mass, heaven kisses earth. The organ is given precedence simply because it meets all the criteria, is easy to play (well, relatively), and is excellent for accompaniment of congregational singing. It is the most versatile instrument available.
In the end, there is really only one criteria. If it enhances liturgy, it is fine. If it doesn't, it does not belong at mass. Different congregations will find different music acceptable. This weekend at my parish, I will lead congregational singing on the organ at the Saturday vigil mass; the 8 a.m. mass will feature a guitarist who has played in our church for more than 20 years, and the 10:30 a.m. mass is our monthly youth mass. The "traditional" choir takes the last Sunday of the month off, as does our music director. So we have four different musical "styles" in the liturgy in our small parish. And that is the case in most Catholic parishes.
For you to indict the Church ("It is this close mindedness, that put an end to the Charasmatic movement in the Church shortly after Vatican II.") based on a flawed perception of what you think the Catholic Church teaches is quite unfair. I assure you, the Charismatic movement is alive and well in the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict spoke about a year ago on the importance of the movement, and I can show you several Charismatic groups in my diocese. The bishop's conference has an office for Charismatic renewal, and my bishop is a former head of that office. Look into the summer Charismatic Conference at Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio, or one of the many Steubenville youth conferences held all over the United States in the summer and you will then understand the place of the Charismatic movement in the Church.
It is this way of thiking, that has lead to the steady decline of Catholics and to the opening of so many store front churches in America.
Gee, statistics show that the Catholic Church is the fastest growing Christian church in my area, and in the world. The growth of store front churches is due to the doctrinal decline in traditional Protestantism (Episcopal/Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.). It's hard to find one of them with an increasing membership. Their decline is also fueling the growth of the Catholic church.
Contemporary music is welcomed by the Church, but it must be music written for the liturgy that enhances worship. My personal favorite is John Michael Talbot's "Monk Rock" which is absolutely fabulous. You can find it online at EMusic and listen to excerpts for free. It was written for a Eucharistic Congress. I defy you to listen to it and tell me it's not contemporary. Many won't like it and many won't think it's appropriate for mass (I'm not so sure about that myself), but it is definitely theologically sound and very contemporary, written by a 70's rocker who is now a Franciscan monk.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 12:07 pm |
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| Obviously the definition I gave of "profane" has fallen on deaf ears (eyes?). Profane means "worldly," not sinful. And the kind of worship some describe here is worldly, as it is geared toward emotionalism. The Church has always encouraged people to recognize that emotionalism leads us astray. The Church has a finely tuned, internally consistent theology as a result of thought, not the Protestant-style "oh, this feels good, therefore it must be the Holy Spirit moving me" attitude.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 12:24 pm |
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I really don't have a problem w/the traditional music in the Church, I can listen to what I like most of the time, is it such a sacrifice to not have rock music at mass? Do we really think music is what is keeping people from the Church? I remember while in the marines, when we got back from leave our platoon leader would say; "get that civilian slime off of you and get back to your military mind!" I imagine this is what the Church is saying to us at mass, there is a time and place for everything under the sun.
There are all sorts of ministries w/rock music preaching the Gospel, it really doen't need to be in the mass as well.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 01:01 pm |
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Doc,
Well I guess this is where we should agree to disagree. Again I am not saying that we need to Bring U2 into the church. I am not asking for there to be a band on the alter.
But your arguement as to contemporary music sounding to much like mainstream and that casuing it to be distracting....I am sorry this is a weak statement. Babies crying, Middle aged women with big floral hats singing off key, a paticular sermon that holds some truth in your life all these things can be distracting.
And again I am not saying we should do away with the traditional music I am merely pointing out that it would be really nice to see a contemporary service added and if you don't want to attend then by all means feel free to atten the traditional mass. I just don't see how this could in anyway have a negative effect on the Church.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 01:16 pm |
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I would have to say Rick that the profane statement I made was taken out of text. I was merely saying that I am not trying to say that we need to intoduce mainstream music into the service, merely contemporary Christian music. Beyond that I agree with what you are saying. I am not saying that it needs to be a rock concert. I would just like to see something that can help to lift me up. I am sure that my mother would argue that the music we most commonly hear in church today is uplifting for her, but I don't find that. so again not saying that it all needs to be contemporary christian music but maybe one mass devoted to this type of praise and worship music would not be a bad alternative.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 01:48 pm |
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May I recommend a book? It's called A New Song for the Lord and it's written by Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI. Two chapters are especially relevent to this discussion: chapter 6, "Sing Artistically for the Lord," and chapter 8, "In the Presence of Angels I Will Sing Your Praise."
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 03:22 pm |
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Big Dog wrote: so again not saying that it all needs to be contemporary christian music but maybe one mass devoted to this type of praise and worship music would not be a bad alternative.
Except that it isn't allowed by the Church itself.
Three documents of interest are:
Mediator Dei
Musicae Sacrae
De Musica sacrae et sacra liturgia
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 03:43 pm |
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I don't understand the prejudice here.
Is it that some people refuse to accept that the Church has rules about Liturgical music at all or is it that the rules have been read and understood, but they choose to ignore the precepts?
Personal ideas about what the Church "should" do are irrelevant. Just as we follow rules about fasting and confession before communion, we should also follow the rules on music. These rules didn’t develop in a vacuum but have long history and precedence. The Church is loving and wise and knows best how to illuminate the Mass for our sanctification.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 05:28 pm |
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NO Tina I understand that the church has rules about many things, I also beleive that there are things about the church that need to see change. And unlike many that leave the church becasue of disagreements or dislikes I would rather set forth to see change brought about to better the church. Sure what we have in place has worked for decades. But the church is a tool used to build faith, and to teach, so we should always be open to new and possibly better ways to do these things. ONce more I will say I am not asking that everything change and that all services be contemporary but rather lets open our hearts and minds and embrace what could be.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 05:46 pm |
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As kind of an outsider here, I find this discussion interesting. I hear the same issues in our Presbyterian Church. The music is too loud, the music is to contemporary, those old hymns bore me and put me to sleep. I prefer the organ. I prefer the contemporary band and guitars and on and on and on. Most of the arguments are demographic. You can just about follow them by age group. So we have a service for those who like the traditional worship with hymns and organ. The 4 other services are contemporary. Two other services are x-gen folks who love the rock bands.
You watch services from other countries and there are even more divisions. What is native to that country? What are their demographic differences?
I'm with Rick I think. If the service and music lead us to Christ and his awesome holiness, then I think the style doesn't matter as long as we are pointed in the right direction. If the music is more entertaining, like many of our services are, then I think we've lost our way. Who does the music and worship direct your attention to? Christ, the performer, or yourself.
As far as I can see the Gregorian Chant is the only music purely designed for the church. But that doesn't mean it's the only music we should use.
Be loving, pray and don't worry about your tastes. Pray the worship is Christ centered and honoring and will to direct your worship to the center of worship which is Christ Himself in your presence.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21st, 2008 07:15 pm |
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I appreciate the civility of everyone on this thread, over this emotional subject. "Outsiders", Catholics, converts, rockers, the clueless, the erudite, and geeks all get confused - I'm delighted that we can discuss this.
Again, I re-iterate. Choices in Liturgical music are not up for private interpretation.
The Mass does not belong to us.
And unlike other churches where the one who shouts the loudest gets the music he wants, this music revolves around the Mass. People are the same everywhere, but the stage is different here in the Church. These details are actually critically important.
Rick and Rich, you both give kindly and palatable advice. However your choices are still subject to personal interpretation.
When is a song bad? or good? what is appropriate? Amazing Grace is considered 'too traditional' to some people while it is banned in very conservative parishes. Where do you draw the line? Upon what specifically do we base our decisions? Can we do Bach? If the sentiment is not anti-Catholic does that make it okay? If it is written by a Catholic priest who re-writes Biblical quotes so as to be unrecognizable along with unsingable melodies, is that still acceptable? If a happy song is sung during penitential seasons, is it okay because it comforts us? If Mozart was a Freemason towards the end of his life, does that mean we have to throw his music out? If a Schubert Ave Maria is over emotionally done in a showy operatic style, is that okay just because the text is okay and the music is beautiful? What exactly constitutes a good melody? When is a rhythm too heavy? This discussion about contemporary vs. traditional [do we means "popular" as 'contemporary' is a style?] music can only become babbling arguments - the Church has been through this before with music in other eras. She has fought for proper music in every era against those who disagreed. And musicians being passionate and taking nothing lightly, its worse than herding cats.
People want their own music for very subjective reasons.
This attitude is the very reason the state of our music is in such chaos. Its all about personal interpretation - what’s good for me is good for me.
When I personally recognized the slippery slope of subjective and endless arguments is when I ran to read what the Church taught. And I admit, this hasn't been easy. I had to dig - the Church hasn't made it easy in the last 50 years. The experts are dead, the bishops silent. But the answers are there, and it is freeing YES FREEING to know that it is not up to me. [What I am finding is that experts do exist, and the hierarchy is starting to speak out.]
Music is such a complex subject, it only confuses the uneducated and we need the Church to direct us. There is text, melody, purpose, liturgical season, attitude, theology, sanctity of authorship, etc - creating a limitless list of considerations. Music today has a narcissistic emphasis of ME, what God does for ME, how I feel about God, I am holy, I have this... ad nauseum. This approach to popular music illustrates how we have lost our grip on what liturgical music should be.
The Church used to have experts steeped in the laws of music who understood all these considerations and how each fell in context and perspective. Not one of us here on this forum has any kind of training like this. I haven't even heard from any musicologists who can state basic concepts of what constitutes 'good' music here. Short of those who have quoted Church documents and authors, its all been personal opinion. I will not put forth my own opinion on this subject even though I listen to and perform chant, Vittoria, Bruckner, Palestrina, Lotti, etc, and struggle to read what the Church has taught, and I've taken courses as well, and I've sung in parish choirs for over 20 years. I may have personal preferences but the Church owns this, not me.
And by the way, Schubert's Ave Maria is on the 1947 blacklist of forbidden music published by the Church.
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Rich I too agree with Rick on many levels.... on the other hand I keep hearing reference to the Church making said decisions, Are we not the church people, God created us with a mind one that we should use to find our way back to God.
I am not willing to just give up all lines of rational thought to the Church, as far as my opinion yes it is mine and as we discuss mine and others Opinion here so should we within the Church. Our world has fallen to the sad state it is in now for this very reason. Becasue we will trust others to make up our minds for us.
We will let people remove God from everything in the Public eye because it is easier to let THE CHURCH fight for us. Give me a break. This is not just about what music is allowed on Sunday this is about taking up the good fight, the fight for our savior. So that our children and our childrens children will have the freedom to discuss music in whatever church they choose to attend.
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Posted: Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 03:04 am |
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rbo4u2 wrote: As far as I can see the Gregorian Chant is the only music purely designed for the church. But that doesn't mean it's the only music we should use.
Many forms of music had their origins in faith expressions. The Psalms were songs of praise and worship.
One of our most reverent Christmas carols, Silent Night, was composed by an Austrian priest and his music director specifically to be played on guitar almost 200 years ago!
Stringed instruments and horns preceeded the organ by centuries. The Hebrews blew horns as they circled the city of Jericho, and David accompanied his own psalms on a lyre.
Psalm 47 instructs us on how to praise God:
All you peoples, clap your hands; shout to God with joyful cries.
For the LORD, the Most High, inspires awe, the great king overall the earth,
Who made people subject to us, brought nations under our feet,
Who chose a land for our heritage, the glory of Jacob, the beloved. Selah
God mounts the throne amid shouts of joy; the LORD, amid trumpet blasts.
Sing praise to God, sing praise; sing praise to our king, sing praise.
God is king over all the earth; sing hymns of praise.
God rules over the nations; God sits upon his holy throne.
The princes of the peoples assemble with the people of the God of Abraham.
For the rulers of the earth belong to God, who is enthroned on high.
Notice that it doesn't say to play the organ and kneel sedately, but to clap your hands and shout with joy. Blow the trumpet! Sing praise! How can this be wrong when it is part of our scriptural instruction? There is place for both!
The psalms were "contemporary" when David wrote them. Handel's Messiah was once new. Silent Night was new in 1816 when Fr. Josef Mohr and Franz Gruber composed it at the Church of St. Nicholas. We Shall Overcome is an African-American spiritual, as is Go Tell It On The Mountain and the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Those of my generation still remember that as the closing hymn at the funeral of Robert F. Kennedy, and it still brings tears to my eyes.
Is America the Beautiful appropriate at mass on the Memorial Day weekend? How about Let There Be Peace On Earth, which was originally a popular song on the radio? Both are in the hymnal at my parish, approved by the proper Church authorities. All of the hymns I mentioned are in it, too.
I love a Spanish hymn called (sorry for the spelling, but I'm doing it phonetically) Envia Tu Espiritu. Jose Feliciano could have made a zillion dollars recording that! There's a great reggae song called Oil of Gladness, and of course the Byrds' famous Turn, Turn, Turn comes directly from the Book of Ecclesiastes. Have you ever really listened to the words of Led Zepplin's Stairway To Heaven? No, I don't think it belongs at mass, but it is more spiritual than much of contemporary "Christian rock".
There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven
And when she gets there she knows if the stores are closed
With a word she can get what she came for
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Yes there are two paths you can go by
but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on
Your head is humming and it won't go in case you don't know
The piper's calling you to join him
Dear lady can't you hear the wind blow and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind
In other words, gold won't get you to heaven, You have to listen to the Holy Spirit! The imagery of the Trinity and the Virgin is astounding. It is a very deep spiritual message coming from the most unlikely of sources.
That doesn't make it proper music for liturgy. It isn't. But Abba, Father and Be Not Afraid and Shout to the Lord and I Will Choose Christ and Sing to the Mountains and Awesome God and countless others are appropriate at the right time and in the right place and for the right congregation. Added to the treasury of great Catholic classics they can enhance our worship. Ever hear
There's a great Catholic prayer called Te Deum that was a staple of Gregorian chant, but it was difficult to sing. It was translated into German and then into English in 1858 and popularized as contemporary music! The English version by Clarence A. Walworth is called Holy God, We Praise Thy Name. Ever heard it played by a rock band complete with electric guitars and drums? I have. Where? At that bastion of conservative Catholic doctrine, Franciscan University of Steubenville, Ohio. Look for the music of Millennium III and you'll see the kind of music sung at their conferences.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! Every "standard" was once "contemporary".
But "contemporary" doesn't automatically mean "good" or "suitable". Every musical piece that is not part of the Church's treasury must be examined very carefully and used only when and where appropriate, and blended with the traditional music of the Church. It should never become "performance art" but always be secondary to and an enhancement of the readings, the liturgy, and the sacrament, whicn must be the primary intent of all those who prayerfully prepare liturgical music.
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I would like to applaud you, for evidently you found the words for wich I have searched for. You have just said everything I have been attempting to say these past few days and have been unable. Thank you. Thank you thank you.
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Faramir wrote: Maybe this is me just being a counter-cultural college student, but I just want to remind those who are not fans of contemporary worship styles to remember that at one point the pipe organ, violin, trumpet, and pretty much every instrument except the human voice was as "modern" as the electric guitar is now, so longevity or (little-t) tradition shouldn't be the only considerations regarding worship music (otherwise our worship music would be made by banging rocks together).
So the cultural connotations, the mood it sets, the makeup of the audience, etc. should also be considerations regarding worship instruments and music styles. I certainly agree that there is lots of really bad contemporary music, but keep in mind that there is also lots of really bad older music, as well as really good music of both types (some of my favorite worship songs are classic hymns). I don't think that older generations should automatically label contemporary music as "undignified", nor should my generation automatically label traditional music as "boring"; even though some music of those styles may not appeal to certain people, that does not mean that to other people those styles can be very moving and worshipful. I would like to imagine that someday "No One Like You" by David Crowder Band may be a classic hymn alongside "Amazing Grace". Hello, I am new here and this is my first post. I was reading this thread from the beginning and was surprised to see all the negativity about contemporary music until I read this one. Faramir, I agree with you and I'm a senior! Please understand that whatever makes one person feel "good" at Mass is not necessarily going to have the same effect on another person. We all have our personal tastes and feelings as to what a Catholic Mass should look and sound like. A joyous, handclapping song closing Mass keeps our congregants singing until the end. I am sure they leave with joy in their hearts as they leave and ready to spread the Gospel Word, just as much as one who'd rather leave in silence. It is a matter of taste which makes us label what songs are "appropriate" or not for a Catholic Mass and not everyone is going to agree on all things all of the time. Everyone has an argument as to why they are right. Someone here mentioned that the more contemporary songs should be used at worship services outside of Mass. Why should Mass, a grand celebration, be confined to different standards? Mass is worship too, sing and rejoice in what God has done for us as on that first Easter morn!!
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Big Dog wrote: Rick,
I would like to applaud you, for evidently you found the words for wich I have searched for. You have just said everything I have been attempting to say these past few days and have been unable. Thank you. Thank you thank you.
Yes, BD, I agree in my 2nd post here. I did not read what Rick had to say before I read Faramir's post. Yes indeed, Rick's post was very good.
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rbo4u2 wrote:
I'm with Rick I think. If the service and music lead us to Christ and his awesome holiness, then I think the style doesn't matter as long as we are pointed in the right direction. If the music is more entertaining, like many of our services are, then I think we've lost our way. Who does the music and worship direct your attention to? Christ, the performer, or yourself.
You can tell I'm new...replying to a bunch of posts! Anyway, true, rb; however, I believe that no matter what you do in all that is holy, what selections of music you provide in a liturgical setting, there will be some that will say that the music was entertaining and therefore you lost your way, while others will say that the same music pointed them in the right direction. It's a, "you can't please everyone 100% of the time" issue. I plan music that I believe is appropriate knowing full well that some might not see it the same way it was intended. Oh, well!
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CajunRick wrote: The most played album on my MP3 player right now is John Michael Talbot's "Monk Rock" and his Credo is absolutely fabulous. It is a rock version, but it's done with reverence by talented musicians with good instrumentalization, excellent harmony, legible lyrics, and an obvious intention of praise. Talbot is a Franciscan monk who was once the leader of the rock group "Mason Proffit" so he comes by his rock credentials honestly. His chants are also just terrific.
Rick I've been reading your good opinions of John Michael Talbot, but just this morning realized I have one of his CDs. It is a chant album, with monks from the Little Portion Monastary. I heard it playing in the catholic bookstore one day and bought it because it was so soothing. But I only today realized it's the same person you've been talking about!
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 04:42 pm |
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As one Protestant on his way to Rome and accustomed to the multiplicity of styles in our church and one who loves the old hymns and hates a lot of the fluff and cotton candy praise songs, I sit back and am a bit amused at what I'm reading here.
It seems to me that there is a lot of getting wrapped around the axle of personal tastes. What I like, what I want to hear, what I think the rubrics are or what I think the church rules say. A word keeps swirling around in my head that has been mentioned often. And that word is "Holy."
"Holy" means set apart. And in the sense of worship, it means "set apart unto God." I believe the old term is "consecrated". In the Old Testament, the articles and music used in the tabernacle was "set apart" unto God for worshipping him. In the same sense, if you look at the universal church, each culture has adopted styles of worship culturally suited to them. So some cultures dance, sway, "wiggle their hips", raise their hands, beat drums, play ukelele's, guitars, organs, pianos or maybe even nose harps for all I know..Oh..that's probably Rick's parish. 
But what sets it all in perspective is that which is "Holy" is that which is directed and pointed to the worship of God, especially in the Eucharist in the RC Church. Whether it's dance (not here in the states...yet) or raising of hands, tamborines and drums or whatever, it is "Holy" if it is set apart from the ordinary in order to uplift, worship, praise and honor our Lord. After all, he invented music...all forms. (Well, I'm not sure about heavy metal)
But if the music and musicians are playing to entertain, or just for the sake of making good music...according to their tastes or even ours...but the music points back to our desires, rather than to God, then it ceases to be "Holy" but becomes, shall we say, common? Or self centered or just even "worldly?" "Worldly" in the sense of being earth based rather than heaven based.
Even poorly played or sung music can be "Holy" if everything is with a pure heart and directed toward the worship of God.
This applies to Protestant worship as well as Catholic. "Whatever we do, we should do it to the glory of God." Excellence, by all means. Holy by necessity.
Rich
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 05:47 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: I've been reading your good opinions of John Michael Talbot, but just this morning realized I have one of his CDs. It is a chant album, with monks from the Little Portion Monastary. I heard it playing in the catholic bookstore one day and bought it because it was so soothing. But I only today realized it's the same person you've been talking about!
"Chant from the Hermitage"? Beautiful, isn't it?
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 05:55 pm |
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| That's the one! It is beautiful, very good to listen to while I'm doing things around the house, and if I had a CD player near the bed I'd listen while going to sleep! Good dreams! I haven't heard the rock music yet, it must be quite different.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 06:05 pm |
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Credo Catholic wrote: I haven't heard the rock music yet, it must be quite different.
Go to Emusic.com and search by his name. You'll be able to hear little snippets of all | | |
