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RCMusicGuy
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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I'm a newbee here since yesterday and have been reading alot of posts here on this forum; put my two cents worth already. I came across this answer by Rick which I like to look into further.
This a section of Rick's quote (from 1 1/2 years ago):
For example, I have heard the song Breathe sung at mass in many church parishes, including my own. It is a beautiful song and conveys a great message, but it is not a Catholic message. One line, in particular, directly contradicts Catholic doctrine:
This is my daily bread, this is my daily bread, your holy word spoken to me."
NO IT ISN'T!!!!! My daily bread is the Precious Body and Precious Blood of my Savior in the Eucharist!
When you ask Catholic kids what "daily bread" in the Our Father refers to, most will probably say scripture. Why? Because they heard it at mass! I consider that frightening.
Rick, reading over some of your posts, I agree with what you say. But, this one I have an issue with. I do not think the words of Breathe contradict Catholic doctrine. "My daily bread" does not, IMO, refer only to the Body of Christ as a Catholic would see it, but as all things holy refering to Jesus: Word and Eucharist, Light and Lamb, etc. This message is brought to us via today's Gospel (3rd Lent A) where Jesus is also Living Water. Water is not just plain ole water and Bread is not just the Body.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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Jesus being the Word of God incarnate, I see no error in calling God's written Word our daily bread. Jesus is the Bread of Life and the Word Incarnate. Both/and.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 07:13 pm |
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Oh, btw, welcome Ron! I'm fairly new here, myself, but I've jumped right in. This is a great forum. Nice to meet you!
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 10:49 pm |
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RCMusicGuy wrote: This a section of Rick's quote (from 1 1/2 years ago):
For example, I have heard the song Breathe sung at mass in many church parishes, including my own. It is a beautiful song and conveys a great message, but it is not a Catholic message. One line, in particular, directly contradicts Catholic doctrine:
This is my daily bread, this is my daily bread, your holy word spoken to me."
NO IT ISN'T!!!!! My daily bread is the Precious Body and Precious Blood of my Savior in the Eucharist!
When you ask Catholic kids what "daily bread" in the Our Father refers to, most will probably say scripture. Why? Because they heard it at mass! I consider that frightening.
Rick, reading over some of your posts, I agree with what you say. But, this one I have an issue with. I do not think the words of Breathe contradict Catholic doctrine. "My daily bread" does not, IMO, refer only to the Body of Christ as a Catholic would see it, but as all things holy refering to Jesus: Word and Eucharist, Light and Lamb, etc. This message is brought to us via today's Gospel (3rd Lent A) where Jesus is also Living Water. Water is not just plain ole water and Bread is not just the Body.
And I believe an argument can be made that the "Word" of God as given to us in John 1 is the Son of God himself, but as presented in this song, primarily to a teen congregation at a youth mass, I believe without extensive catechesis on the meaning of the term, it is horribly misleading. I stand by the last paragraph of mine you quoted above. Without supporting catechesis, this is not a proper song to be used at a Catholic mass.
The question, IMHO, is do we want a song that teaches the Catholic faith, or do we want a song that we can stretch to make it fit Catholic teaching. In my opinion we need music that does the former.
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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I'm catechesis-challenged. 
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RCMusicGuy
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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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CajunRick wrote: RCMusicGuy wrote: This a section of Rick's quote (from 1 1/2 years ago):
For example, I have heard the song Breathe sung at mass in many church parishes, including my own. It is a beautiful song and conveys a great message, but it is not a Catholic message. One line, in particular, directly contradicts Catholic doctrine:
This is my daily bread, this is my daily bread, your holy word spoken to me."
NO IT ISN'T!!!!! My daily bread is the Precious Body and Precious Blood of my Savior in the Eucharist!
When you ask Catholic kids what "daily bread" in the Our Father refers to, most will probably say scripture. Why? Because they heard it at mass! I consider that frightening.
Rick, reading over some of your posts, I agree with what you say. But, this one I have an issue with. I do not think the words of Breathe contradict Catholic doctrine. "My daily bread" does not, IMO, refer only to the Body of Christ as a Catholic would see it, but as all things holy refering to Jesus: Word and Eucharist, Light and Lamb, etc. This message is brought to us via today's Gospel (3rd Lent A) where Jesus is also Living Water. Water is not just plain ole water and Bread is not just the Body.
And I believe an argument can be made that the "Word" of God as given to us in John 1 is the Son of God himself, but as presented in this song, primarily to a teen congregation at a youth mass, I believe without extensive catechesis on the meaning of the term, it is horribly misleading. I stand by the last paragraph of mine you quoted above. Without supporting catechesis, this is not a proper song to be used at a Catholic mass.
The question, IMHO, is do we want a song that teaches the Catholic faith, or do we want a song that we can stretch to make it fit Catholic teaching. In my opinion we need music that does the former.
Rick, OK then, I can agree that w/o proper catechesis, a younger set of congregants might not yet understand the concept; but, this song's use at Mass, IMO, should not be avoided for the concept should be understandable to most, understanding that not every song we sing will be 100% understood by all. Furthermore, a teen, after hearing this song, might just inquire about its meaning at home, at a LifeTeen meeting, or a Teen night. Avoidance of something that might not be clearly understood is not a teaching method, IMO. "I am the Bread of Life" is another example to me where the story told of bread does not mean the holy Body all the time: "he who comes to be will not hunger." We all know that a taste of His precious Body will not support our real hunger, but a hunger of a more endearing spirituality. In the same equation, I think we can substitute "Body" for "Word." Are the teens confused with this song so widely used...perhaps so, but then again perhaps not. For me, a song like "Breathe" in comparison to "IATBOL" supports the same concept.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 11:19 pm |
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With regard to IATBOL however, it is not so much proposing christian sentiments as quoting scripture, (John 6) and a scripture that all Catholics should be familiar with. (Unless you're using one of the more "PC" versions, I have heard - in a Catholic Mass "We will raise You up" - scary"
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