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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 12:25 pm |
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Minneapolis, Mar 3, 2008 / 11:20 pm (CNA).- Efforts to return a Minneapolis Catholic church to liturgical standards have prompted dozens of parishioners to protest and leave their parish, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.
The church had held prayer services that changed the “Our Father” to begin “Our Father and Mother.”
Around 100 members of St. Stephen’s Catholic Church planned a march on Saturday morning to protest changes made to bring the parish into conformity with liturgical norms and to mark their change of venue to a locale five blocks away from the parish.
"How can it have been OK for 40 years -- even been encouraged because of the work we do -- and not be OK anymore?" asked parishioner Eileen Smith. "They should hold us up as a model of service. Instead, they are giving us the boot."
"It's incredibly sad," said Mary Condon Peters, a former parish council member. "All these years, there was room in the big old Catholic tent for all of us. And now there isn't. And they gave us three weeks' notice."
Nick Coleman, writing in the Star Tribune, summarized the past 9 a.m. English-language Sunday prayer service, believed to have begun in 1968.
"You know the kind of service: with guitars, lay people giving homilies, dancing in the aisles with people who have mental and physical disabilities, gay couples openly participating in worship, along with ex-priests, ex-nuns and sundry other spiritual wanderers,” Coleman wrote.
The Archdiocese of Minnesota has tried to bring the parish into conformity with the standards set out in the GIRM, the General Instruction on the Roman Missal. The parish had made significant changes to some prayers, rewriting the first lines of the Our Father to read “Our Father and Mother, Who Art in heaven.” Women have filled roles in the prayer services reserved for clergy, and the parish did not use chalices of precious metal but instead used ceramic vessels.
Archdiocesan spokesman Dennis McGrath compared the GIRM to a sport playbook.
"They all have to play with the same playbook," said McGrath. "They've had plenty of warnings to get their act together."
The parish, which has only had part-time clergy, will receive a new pastor next month. McGrath said the archdiocese wanted to get things “straightened out” before the new pastor arrives.
Archbishop Harry Flynn had met with parish representatives on February 5, instructing them that the 9 a.m. prayer service must end. About two hundred people attended the final prayer service, held on February 24.The former parishioners plan to continue their prayer meetings at an address shared with Park House, a historic mansion, which describes itself on its website as “a day health center for people living with HIV/AIDS.”
The above article is reposted with permission from Catholic News Agency.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 02:29 pm |
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My reactions to this are mixed. On the one hand, it's too bad this step had to be taken, and I hate having it blathered all over the news. On the other hand, maybe my priest/parish will take note and hustle faster in getting back in line as the bishop has instructed them to do.
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JillD
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 02:35 pm |
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CajunRick wrote: "How can it have been OK for 40 years -- even been encouraged because of the work we do -- and not be OK anymore?" asked parishioner Eileen Smith. Because the Church is incredibly patient, that's why.
I'm sure there are a few other denominations that would be happy to have the whole motley crew.
wow...................
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RCMusicGuy
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 03:32 pm |
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JillD wrote: CajunRick wrote: "How can it have been OK for 40 years -- even been encouraged because of the work we do -- and not be OK anymore?" asked parishioner Eileen Smith. Because the Church is incredibly patient, that's why.
I'm sure there are a few other denominations that would be happy to have the whole motley crew.
wow...................
Yes, patience is one reason. Not knowing for sure, of course, but I bet to get where they are today was through changes one by one, slowly. Forty years ago it was this, it worked. Then, a bit more change, it worked. Before you know it, many changes were made that seemed minor by themselves until, well, the "last straw" analogy. I am sure, also, TPTB knew about the changes, but turned their heads to some degree.
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Annie
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 04:05 pm |
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| At least they have a bishop who takes clear action. We are kind of piddling along trying to deal with priests who make up their own Eucharistic Prayers, etc. and we get blown off by the chancery. Oh well, things will shake out over the next hundred years or so.
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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| Oops, it occurs to me that our bishop used to be the bishop of the Twin Cities.:? Last edited on Tue Mar 4th, 2008 06:57 pm by Annie
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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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Annie wrote: Oops, it occurs to me that our bishop used to be the bishop of the Twin Cities.:?
The current bishop there, Harry Flynn, was once bishop of Lafayette, Louisiana. It was his first diocese, so he was trained by Cajuns!
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 07:06 pm |
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Cool. Cajuns, cool!
I talked to a real conservative priest this morning about stuff. He was very helpful though not encouraging about the situation in our diocese. One just has to drive a really long way to get to a faithful parish. Oh well.
Rick, can you send some Cajuns up here? Please bring spicy food too.
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EMarshallBuckles
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 03:56 pm |
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| Here in the Catholic Diocese of Richmond, for years we had a Bishop who was a nice man, personally likeable, and he was compassionate, I'll give him that (still living, retired, with his cute doggies). Even so, often times he seemed to get way too far on the liberal side to the point that some people were said to have complained about him to Rome. When he retired, the new Bishop came in and started to do some, um, uh, "house cleaning" so to speak. So far, the new Bishop has seemed to be more of a conservative leaning Bishop who has gotten the Diocese off the sort of "liberal leaning path" it was on for a long time. I guess that the church is patient to a certain extent, however, apparently there will come a time, in most cases, when "BOOM", a "reality check" is done and things get "back on track", I guess you'd say. Sometimes it can be perplexing to watch God at work, among His people, and sometimes it can be AWESOME.
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