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CajunRick
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| First Name: | Rick (& Kermie) | | Gender: | Male | | Faith History: | Lifetime Catholic, Latin Rite |
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Posted: Thu Mar 29th, 2007 11:39 pm |
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RCWarrior wrote: You are wrong on some issues you said,
As I have said, please tell me what I said was wrong, and prove it. I wish to learn from my mistakes, but I cannot do so if you will not tell me what I said that was wrong. I ask you to prove it so that I can research it myself and find out where I went wrong. Since you are so certain that I am in error, I can only assume that you know exactly where I am mistaken, and have evidence with which to back your statements. I have given you evidence; you have given me none. How am I to learn?
Print my messages (all of them), bring them to your priest, and have them highlight anything I said that was wrong. Then ask him how you can prove it. Since you are so certain I am wrong, that should not be a difficult task.
And yes, THERE IS ONLY ONE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUT THERE ARE A FAIR NUMBER ON DENOMINATIONS. PERIOD.
Wordnet at Princeton defines denomination as "a group of religious congregations having its own organization and a distinctive faith".
All Catholic Churches have the same faith. They do each have their own organization, but share a common faith. Therefore they are not "denominations".
Lutherans are a denomination. The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America are not. They are part of the same denomination.
By this definition, all Catholic Churches are part of the same denomination because they share the same faith. However, I do find the use of the term "denomination" distasteful when used in connection with the Catholic Church because it puts us on an equal footing with Protestant faith communities. Using this definition, however, the word is not incorrect.
My priest knows a lot more than you will ever know.
I would certainly hope so.
Last edited on Thu Mar 29th, 2007 11:44 pm by CajunRick
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JasPax
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Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2007 04:30 am |
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Thanks Rick. You have gone above and beyond the call of duty on this one. That must be why you get paid the, "big bucks" for monitoring this forum. {big smile}
Just to put it another way: Across our town is the Byzantine Catholic parish of Sts. Cyril and Methodius. We intend to visit soon. Several friends from our home parish (a Roman Catholic Church) have attended mass there and tell me that the liturgy at Sts. Cyril and Methodius is beautiful, but different. The latter is part of the Eparchy of Passiac, New Jersey. Since it is fully Catholic and under the jurisdiction of Pope Benedict XVI, Sts C. and M. is listed in our diocesan directory. Most of the parishioners there have a Hungarian or Slavic background.
There is also a Marionite Catholic group that meets on Sunday for Mass at the Catholic High School chapel. I understand they have a mostly Lebanese background. Also in our direcctory.
We need to pray for the Chaldean Catholics of Baghdad and Syria. Their situation is like that of the very early Catholic Church.
None of the above mentioned Catholics are part of the Eastern Orthodox Church, as you stated.
Our deacon, who is of Slavic ancestry, urged us to use the word Catholic, rather than Roman Catholic, in order not to exclude those Catholics of the "Eastern" rite, who are in full communion with us from the "Western" Church.
BTW, remember the "Eastern Catholics" who took part in the funeral of John Paul the Great? Beautiful!
Thanks again Rick, for your explanations. As usual you "cover the waterfront."
God's Blessings!
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"Abide in me, and I in you..." John 15:4
"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him." John 6:56
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RCWarrior
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| Joined: | Tue Mar 20th, 2007 |
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Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2007 09:14 am |
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Jaspax, you can feel free to stick it in my face, but you not even fully being Catholic your whole life, I wouldn't go by anything you say anyway.
As for Cajun, you can quote all you want from "wordnet" as much as you'd like.
Jesus said his church would be "the light of the world". He then noted that "a city set on a hill cannot be hid" (MAtt 5:14). this means his church is a VISIBLE ORGANIZATION. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and distinguish it from OTHER churches.
A denomination is an organization, a group of people who gather to worship, pool funds, operate ministries, construct church buildings, establish non-profit corporations, and do all the activities that people normally associate with the word "church", including having similar religious or spiritual beliefs and practices.
Catholic denominations in general follow the traditions of Sacraments, worship, and the preaching of the Word as established in the early church before the church was split up into many denominations. The actual theologies, rites and practices of Independant Catholic churches vary from Conservative to Liberal. Case in point:
IT IS IMPORTANT NOT TO CONFUSE MATTERS OF FAITH WITH MATTERS OF CHURCH AND GOVERNANCE!
Now, even I've learned this years ago. Somehow your "notes" were lost along the way.
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JasPax
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Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2007 09:36 am |
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You have made my day Stefany.
I read the posts to my sweetie five minutes ago and I can still hear her laughing in the next room.
I love it. God's Peace to you and have a great day!
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"Abide in me, and I in you..." John 15:4
"He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him." John 6:56
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CajunRick
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Posted: Fri Mar 30th, 2007 10:24 am |
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RCWarrior wrote: Jaspax, you can feel free to stick it in my face, but you not even fully being Catholic your whole life, I wouldn't go by anything you say anyway.
And you called me rude?
That's it. Now that you won't even believe the dictionary, this discussion is over.
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