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brian
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 01:44 am |
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This sunday I am going to see a friend confirmed at 2:00 PM. I am pretty sure that it is a mass. I am pretty sure that most confirmation ceremony's are masses as well and this is recommended except when there is good reason not to.
Anyway, if I do not go to my regular sunday liturgy and just go the confirmation ceremony have I fulfilled my obligation. And if I do go earlier I would be receiving communion at both I believe I have been told.
Though I do like going to church and find worshipping God to be important, I like to if possible look forward to one Eucharistic celebration as the pinnacle of my day, and if I know I am going at 2 I guess I probably would not go before, unless there is something specific about needing to go to a mass with specific themes or readings or that it is a mass that is part of a normal sunday experience that makes it fulfill the obligation.
Have other people made personal decisions on this wjen it comes up? Is there a recommendation? Do wedding ceremonies observed from saturday evening or sunday morning fulfill the obligation? I think I read that they do, but that seems unusual? The site I found (but maybe each diocese sets different times) seemed to say that there is a 24 hour period that one can attend any mass to fulfill the obligation. It was saturday night from 4:00 PM till midnight of the sunday itself. Interesting that you can both ay that saturday night and sunday night both count for sunday, since the saturday concept is more one of the next day starting from the eve of like the ancient Jewish practice followed. But I guess even if it makes less sense, it does make it as possible for us to honor God in whatever state of life we are in with our schedules.
Would a funeral if it took place on a sunday? (though that seems not to happen much around me)
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CajunRick
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 02:40 am |
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I think a Sunday Confirmation mass is quite unusual. I guess it would technically fulfill your obligation, but personally I would not consider it sufficient. I would attend a separate Sunday mass (including the Vigil mass). The exception would be if the regular Sunday mass readings are used, which is quite possible, but I think I would still attend a separate mass in my own parish. And yes, it would be acceptable to receive Eucharist at both.
The obligation is not a 24-hour issue. Sunday runs from midnight to midnight. I remember seeing a church I believe in New York City that had an 11 p.m. Sunday night mass. After Vatican II, the Church decided to allow mass attendance on the vigil of a feast to fulfill the obligation, so the time period during which the obligation may be fulfilled runs from Saturday evening at whatever time the bishop of the diocese deems appropriate, through midnight Sunday night.
In my diocese, a vigil mass may be celebrated starting at 4 pm, and a parish is only permitted to have one vigil mass (except on Christmas eve). Wedding and funeral masses are not permitted on Saturday evening or Sunday. (Weddings and funerals may be held, but without a mass.) Also in my diocese, there is no celebration of other sacraments held at mass during that period unless it is a regular Sunday mass.
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Gloria Mundi
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 08:46 am |
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CajunRick,
Quoted by Rick-
[After Vatican II, the Church decided to allow mass attendance on the vigil of a feast to fulfill the obligation, so the time period during which the obligation may be fulfilled runs from Saturday evening at whatever time the bishop of the diocese deems appropriate, through midnight Sunday night.]
I think the change to Saturday vigil was made in 1983, and I have been meaning to ask the reason why Vatican II felt the need to change the Sunday Obligation to Saturday afternoon. Does this practice assure the keeping of the 3rd commandment. At the beginning of the Church the apostles universally introduced the custom of sanctifying Sunday as the Lord's day and became obligitory by the beginning of the second century.
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Ave_Girl
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 12:59 pm |
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My sister is getting confirmed this Sunday during a Mass at 3pm. They announced that the Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation so I assume yours would too.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 01:50 pm |
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I'm quite sure the vigil mass is tied in with the Jewish way of reckoning a day from sundown to sundown. That would mean that late afternoon Saturday would be, in Jewish time, the beginning of Sunday.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 03:51 pm |
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Free wrote: I'm quite sure the vigil mass is tied in with the Jewish way of reckoning a day from sundown to sundown. That would mean that late afternoon Saturday would be, in Jewish time, the beginning of Sunday.
That is the rationale behind it. Scripture tells us repeatedly to stand in vigil for the coming of the Lord. It has also been a real blessing for the elderly who often have difficulty getting rides to church on Sunday morning, can't drive after dark, etc.
In our diocese the vigil mass cannot begin before 4 p.m., and during the winter that's just early enough so that those who cannot drive after dark can come to mass and make it home at sunset. I imagine in more northern climes that might not be the case, but it works out perfectly here. Most parishes have eliminated Sunday evening masses, so all masses are typically held within a 24-hour period (although some Sunday evening masses are still available, primarily youth masses).
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