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brian
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Posted: Wed Feb 7th, 2007 04:47 pm |
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I understand that going to church on the eve of a day of obligation is considered ok. And that if one goes to saturday evening mass that this takes care of the ned to participate in each sunday's mass. But this still feels weird to me. Like I would have a hard time not going on sunday just because I went on saturday. I fear I would still think it was somehow sinful.
This week my family made some plans and I could just go to saturday mass so that my sunday is less hectic, or I could get up for the earliest mass on sunday morning which would be a bit difficult for me. But I worry that if I go to the saturday I will feel guilty and or lazy on sunday. Is the saturday mass supposed to only be for when you have no way of making sunday morning, or is it really there for convenience in case it is much easier for you to fulfill your obligation on a saturday night? Should I feel troubled by this? Should I just make myself go to the real early one on sunday to fight my laziness and risk being really tired for the rest of the day?
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Posted: Wed Feb 7th, 2007 05:30 pm |
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brian wrote: Is the saturday mass supposed to only be for when you have no way of making sunday morning, or is it really there for convenience in case it is much easier for you to fulfill your obligation on a saturday night? Should I feel troubled by this? Should I just make myself go to the real early one on sunday to fight my laziness and risk being really tired for the rest of the day?
In Jewish tradition, the day begins at sunset, so the Sabbath actually begins on Friday evening and continues until sunset on Saturday evening.
After Vatican II, the Church revised the rules of Sunday obligation to allow attendance on Saturday evening, with the approval of local bishops' conferences. This fulfills the obligation to attend Sunday mass. Most (not all) parishes have abolished Sunday evening mass to compensate. Attendance at Saturday evening mass allows Sunday to be spend with family, visiting sick relatives, etc., which was often not possible to do and still attend mass on Sunday.
It does not, however, remove our obligation to keep holy the Lord's Day.
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JillD
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Posted: Wed Feb 7th, 2007 07:52 pm |
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I have a question or two to tag onto this one.
Sadly, an old acquaintance was killed last weekend by a drunk driver at 7 o'clock in the morning. This Saturday morning is his funeral Mass. I would like to attend. Coincidentally, our family is leaving early Sunday morning so that I will not be able to attend Mass on Sunday at all. Does a Saturday morning funeral Mass count?
My parish has no English Saturday Masses, only Spanish. This other parish is having his funeral Mass, but they also have a regular Mass at 4:30 in the afternoon - well before sunset.
Maybe I'm being a stickler for details, but just wondering what the deal would be on these two questions.
Jill
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Posted: Wed Feb 7th, 2007 08:05 pm |
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JillD wrote: Does a Saturday morning funeral Mass count?
No. If you are unable to attend a Sunday mass (meaning a mass of that particular Sunday of Ordinary Time, even if it takes place on Saturday evening), discuss the problem with your priest in advance. If your reason is sufficient he can dispense your obligation to attend mass for the day. Otherwise, attend mass in a nearby parish.
My parish has no English Saturday Masses, only Spanish. This other parish is having his funeral Mass, but they also have a regular Mass at 4:30 in the afternoon - well before sunset.
"Sunset" is not a magic time in Catholic theology. The bishop of each diocese sets the time at which the Vigil mass is permitted to begin. In my diocese it is 4 p.m. Or attend the Spanish mass. There is nothing to prevent you from doing so.
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mrsbmoo
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Posted: Wed Feb 7th, 2007 11:58 pm |
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| In my parish the vigil mass is the mostly latin mass and the folks who favor that regularly attend. When I was in RCIA, we were asked to attend each of the offered masses during Lent to be inspected by the attendees and experience the differences in style.
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brian
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Posted: Sat Feb 10th, 2007 06:18 pm |
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So you might say there is no reason to feel bad about going to the vigil mass in lieu of sunday morning as long as I keep the sabbath Holy? (does this involve anything specific, or just a frame of mind) But if it is more convenient for me to do this, I should feel free because this is what it is created for?
Secondly, during lent, say I give something up. Last year I learned that sundays in lent (like all sundays) are feast days, therfore it is not assumed you should fast on the sundays of lent and it is Ok to allow yourself whatever you are personally giving up. Does this mean that instead of pausing my fast from sunday morning to monday morning I might be better to start saturday night from say 5 o'clock to 5 o'clock the next day? Or is this totally to my discretion?
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Posted: Sat Feb 10th, 2007 06:39 pm |
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brian wrote: So you might say there is no reason to feel bad about going to the vigil mass in lieu of sunday morning as long as I keep the sabbath Holy? (does this involve anything specific, or just a frame of mind) But if it is more convenient for me to do this, I should feel free because this is what it is created for?
The Magisterium has decided that attending mass on Saturday evening is equally valid, so you may attend mass on Saturday simply because you want to sleep late on Sunday. Keeping the day holy is not defined, other than that you should avoid unnecessary work, shopping, etc. For you, gardening might be a spiritual exercise; for me, it would be a hated chore.
Secondly, during lent, say I give something up. Last year I learned that sundays in lent (like all sundays) are feast days, therfore it is not assumed you should fast on the sundays of lent and it is Ok to allow yourself whatever you are personally giving up. Does this mean that instead of pausing my fast from sunday morning to monday morning I might be better to start saturday night from say 5 o'clock to 5 o'clock the next day? Or is this totally to my discretion?
Your discretion. I never allow myself what I have given up on Sundays, but again that is my personal choice. It is additional sacrifice. I do, however, generally visit the St. Joseph's altars on the Feast of St. Joseph.
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