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 Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 07:15 pm

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I recently was asked about the Catholic view on baptism in the Spirit.  Would any of you be so kind as to steer me to a good website about this or provide me with some info about it? 

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 Posted: Thu Apr 17th, 2008 10:07 pm

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Hi Mary Claire,

Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa, the Preacher to the Papal Household, has written and spoken extensively about this topic.  There are other notable authors and publications as well, but this article is a good starting point.  I've included an excerpt (from the Catholic Charismatic Center website):

http://ccc.garg.com/ccc/articles/Cantalamessa/Cantalamessa_002.html

The Baptism in the Spirit is not a sacrament, but it is related to a sacrament, to several sacraments in fact - to the sacraments of Christian initiation. The Baptism in the Spirit makes real and in a way renews Christian initiation. The primary relationship is with the Sacrament of Baptism. In fact, this experience is called the Baptism in the Spirit by English-speaking people. 


We believe that the Baptism in the Spirit makes real and revitalizes our baptism. To understand how a sacrament which was received so many years ago, usually immediately after our birth could suddenly come back to life and emanate so much energy, as often happens through the Baptism in the Spirit, it is important to look at our understanding of sacramental theology.


Catholic theology recognizes the concept of a valid but tied sacrament. A sacrament is called tied if the fruit that should accompany it remains bound because of certain blocks that prevent its effectiveness. An extreme example of this is the Sacrament of Matrimony or Holy Orders received in the state of mortal sin. In such circumstances these sacraments cannot grant any grace to people until the obstacle of sin is removed through penance. Once this happens the sacrament is said to live again thanks to the indelible character and irrevocability of the gift of God: God remains faithful even if we are unfaithful because He cannot deny Himself (see Timothy 2:13).



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 Posted: Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 01:31 am

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I love his writings and homilies on the Holy Spirit.

For Catholics and Orthodox, who have been sealed with the Holy Spirit at Baptism and Chrismation/Confirmation, all charisms and gifts were received then.  They tend to lay 'dormant' in some ways until we allow the Holy Spirit to stir them into flame. 

NOW THIS IS NOT TO SAY THEY ARE NOT ACTIVE IN US, BECAUSE THEY ARE.  IF YOU ARE TEACHING SUNDAY SCHOOL, FEEDING THE HOMELESS, CLEANING THE CHURCH, YOU ARE USING GIFTS AND CHARISMS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

But what happens at the 'Baptism in the Holy Spirit' - which is a phrase kind of borrowed from our Protestant brothers and sisters - is exactly that a stirring into flame.

Some pictures that might help...

Have you ever heald a marshmellow on a stick over a fire, it suddenly bursts into flame?  That is what happens through a Life in the Spirit Seminar.  It prepares and grounds for the harvest of what that Holy Spirit planted so many years ago.

Those who are old enough and remember pot belly stoves :D  first you laid in some paper, then you laid in a few sticks, then you laid in a the coals.  Ahh the paper burned brightly, but it started the sticks, which burned hard and then started the coals which were the constant heat.  That is the picture of our life and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.  The layers are in place, hands are laid, and the fires of the Holy Spirit are inflamed.

An excellent resouce is Christian Initiation and Baptism in the Holy Spirit, by Fathers McDonnell and Montague.  A preview to read can be found here

Click Here

 Actually they did a series of books which show that the norm of the Early Church was the full use of all the charisms of the Holy Spirit.  They did fall into 'disuse' within the Church until the 8th century.



NOTE:  Edited to shorten link.

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