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heardclarke
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Posted: Tue Apr 24th, 2007 10:46 pm |
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Hello anyone,
I am a little confused about this issue. I have posted several times indicating that this is something I still do (and explaining why). Most people seem to accept this peculiarity on my part  , but I read a post tonight that suggested I would need to recieve absolution for this. (It wasn't directed at me, but I was curious about it anyway).
Is there anything in the Catechism that speaks to this question? Or any other authoritative source? My priest just said that I need to be sure I attend Mass faithfully every Sunday (or Saturday night) since the other liturgy would not address that obligation.
I know lots of reasons why I would be better off NOT going to the Episcopal church. I have family obligations that overrule those. But if it is forbidden, rather than generally discouraged, I need to know (for one thing, I'd need to go to Confession). :?
Hopefully this question will be moot for me in a few months. Meanwhile, if anyone can shed some light on it, I welcome your input.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24th, 2007 11:03 pm |
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heardclarke wrote: I am a little confused about this issue. I have posted several times indicating that this is something I still do (and explaining why). Most people seem to accept this peculiarity on my part , but I read a post tonight that suggested I would need to recieve absolution for this. (It wasn't directed at me, but I was curious about it anyway).
Lisa, I am not aware of anything in current Church law or teaching that prevents you from attending services in an Episcopal church for the reasons you cite. You have discussed it with your priest and your reason is family obligations. You are not considering it equal to the Catholic faith in any way, are not receiving communion in the Episcopal church, and are continuing to attend mass. I see no reason you should confess to a priest unless it makes you feel guilty.
If the post you refer to is on this board, please PM me details on the message so I can check it more carefully.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 01:14 pm |
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Lisa,
One of the nicer things about attending a liturgical Prot. denomination such as the ECUSA or their more conservative Anglican brethern -- or even the Lutherans -- is that you're not going to be put in an awkward position when one decides to pass on the more evangelical style of communion. When the bread trays and "wine" cups (grape juice!) are passed around, you're almost expected to take them.
Well, we can't say their "communion" gives us Catholics spiritual indigestion, but to Baptists, Congregationalists, low-church Episcopalians and Evangelical non-denominationals, passing on "communion" is taken as a dis on grandma's apple pie or the ecumenical version of a cat's slap.
Before finding a seat in the pews, it always helps to locate the nearest bathroom, especially for low-church services.
Experience has taught me to avoid baptisms and communion services. Both are too darn long and the baptisms may wind up containing a few anti-catholic barbs during the newly christened who all of a sudden became Christians (geesh!) even though they may've been lifetime Catholics, Anglicans or Lutherans. Above all, avoid the "contemporary" baptismal and communion services unless one's prepared to stand and wave arms through awfully vain and repititously "praise n' worship" brays.
Eight o'clock Mass followed by CBS Sun morning and woodworking's a much better use of my time. Even if I botch up a project and don't care for the programs, at least I've attended a real service and received the Real Presence. Can't beat that!
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heardclarke
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 01:59 pm |
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The Protestant services you describe do sound dreadful.
I have been told to go to the Communion rail (yes, they still do exist in some churches!) with the rest of the choir so we don't climb all over one another returning to the pew. (We are seated way up in the very front so everyone sees what we do.) Once I get there, I am supposed to get a blessing. This is not the high point of my day, to say the least.
As you say, it is communion that make me the most uncomfortable, especially the actual prayer of consecration. Baptism is actually a valid sacrament in the EC, and there is none of the nonsense that goes on in the churches you were describing.
A few weeks ago (on the Feast of the Annunciation) there was an ordination. The ordinand was an Anglo-Catholic friend who asked me to sing the Angelus in Latin for the occasion. I happily agreed, since I like that song and lots of friends were going to be there, but at the service I still felt like an outsider. I kind of have to put up with that feeling since my husband is the choir director.
I have found that if I go to Mass on Saturday afternoon, and think of Sunday as just a day for music and socializing, that it helps some. I am looking forward to actually attending Mass with him this summer when we go on vacation. Other times I am on my own.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 03:37 pm |
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Lisa,
I fully agree with you about the Episcopal/Anglican Masses, epecially their decorum regarding Communion, which I wish Catholics KEPT.
It's just hard as heck to stomach the evangelical services some days.
Have to get off this machine. Thanks for bringing to light about the relative dignity of Episcopal/Anglican Masses. I do miss that Rail.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 06:03 pm |
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Steven Barrett wrote: Above all, avoid the "contemporary" baptismal and communion services unless one's prepared to stand and wave arms through awfully vain and repititously "praise n' worship" brays.
Ok Stephen, this is where I must "pipe" up. Is not what you say about the "vain and repititous worship bray" the same complaint that Protestants have about Catholics praying the Rosary? Do they not say, "What's with all those Hail Marys anyway? You give ten acknowledgements to Mary and how many to Jesus? And then there's the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. Isn't that also a bit repetitive? Hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. There's nothing wrong with singing repetitive choruses in praise to Jesus if one's heart is to adore and worship Him. In saying this, I am not at all shining any negative light on nor criticizing the Rosary (which I try to say daily) or the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. What I am saying is Give your Protestant brothers and sisters some slack in this regard. After all, there are greater areas of concern that one should have toward Protestantism than singing repititious praise choruses. Just My Two Cents,  Darlene
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Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2007 06:24 pm |
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Steven Barrett wrote: Lisa,
I fully agree with you about the Episcopal/Anglican Masses, epecially their decorum regarding Communion, which I wish Catholics KEPT. While decorum may be appealing to our outer natures, namely our senses, what good is it if one scratches the surface and just beneath lies dead men's bones? Yes, this is what Jesus said of the Pharisees. And Episcopalians have only the form of worship yet deny the power thereof. While the Episcopal Mass may appear exquisite, if one delves just beneath the surface, what will one find? A church that only looks Catholic, yet is bankrupt spiritually and morally. It is a church that now boasts of being so open-minded and loving that it includes all life styles. Homosexuals are free to remain in sin and still be considered a "brother." Priests can now live with their gay lovers without retribution. Women can abort their babies without a word said against such an action. So who cares if they know how to put on a good show on at mass if they are morally corrupt? If there would be only one church left in the world, and that would be the American Episcopal Church, I would worship God in my backyard!
It's just hard as heck to stomach the evangelical services some days.
While they may not have the flair of the Episcopal mass, perhaps they at least have some other things in order, that are of more importance to God than mere form.
Have to get off this machine. Thanks for bringing to light about the relative dignity of Episcopal/Anglican Masses. I do miss that Rail.
s
Sorry, but this is how I see it. All that I have gone through with my husband's family regarding the Episcopal church has left a very bad taste in my mouth. Everytime I think about the Episcopal funeral service of my father-in-law, that the gay priest offiiciated at, I become very indignant. Yes, the church was beautiful. The vestments were beautiful. The music was beautiful. But all of it was a mockery of God. All of it was a displeasing odor and repugnant in the sight of our Heavenly Father.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 01:18 am |
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You're welcome.
Actually for a REAL dose of "old time religion" we have found a Tridentine Latin Mass, at a Catholic church where the people not only kneel for Communion, but also receive the Sacrament on the tongue. (This was a totally new experience for an Episcopalian "emeritus"!)
Some Saturdays, there is also Benediction right after Mass with chant and incense and all.
Now that's what I call "the beauty of holiness." It is truly awesome.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 01:32 am |
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Darlene, I'm sorry to have offended you in any way shape or form. And, yes, I do agree that the Rosary and the Chaplet, etc., can become awfully boring and repititious. Some priests have a knack for going "show time" at wakes when it comes to saying the Rosary on behalf of the family. They'd stretch it out in a most dramatic fashion. So much so that my ever devoutly Catholic parents made sure to pay their respects at wakes and be out before Father arrived. While I love to pray the Rosary, I agree that it can be overdone to the point that Protestants have a very valid point to make!
And, I also agree with you about the greater necessity to have the Episcopal mass meet the bare bones of good moral theology. Having an outwardly practicing homosexual priest saying the funeral was a travesty and I hope you gave the local cathedral a good earfull. They deserved it.
My witticisms about evangelical services are more directed towards all the more recent "innovations" such as the powerpoint and rock music adaptations to what could indeed be very dignified services. The first and traditional service at my family's church is dignified in that sense. What kills us, and my wife especially, is when the younger crowd are able to get their banal tunes and "worship team" stuff inserted, especially during the summer when there's only one service. Thankfully even the pastor can only stand so much, although he's big on powerpoint.
When powerpoint is applied to the "worship team" "music" it reminds me of what I used to see on the old Welk and Mitch Miller sing a long choral pieces on the tube. (Alas, the local parish I also attend seems set up for powerpoint usage. I guess they haven't heard that Ratzinger became Pope two years ago. But better than Kumbaya. But let's face it, I agree with author Michael Day, Catholics can't sing -- at least in the good old USA.)
You're also right to point out that at least in evangelical services, by and large, and I mean by and LARGE, you'll never hear many sermons exhorting the dubious values of the gay-liberation agenda coming from their preachers. And one Ted Haggard does not for a lasting negative impression on evangelical ministries make! Seems like there's alot of Teds in the Episcopal and sad to admit, Catholic priestly ranks. Thanks to Benedict, the latter bunch be greatly diminished in both presence and impact.
You took me to the woodshed and I hope I took it like a man! Ouch!
(Gee, though. If the Episcopalians don't want to keep their rails, we should be more than happy to take and reconsecrate 'em since Benedict's allowing a return to the pre-Vatican II Latin Mass of 1962.)
Duly chastened,
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 08:13 am |
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Dear Steve,
Based on past experience, I am afraid that even if Darlene did give the people at the episcopal diocese "an earfull" they would either be utterly indifferent.
Unless she was complaining that someone was too conservative (substitute the word judgemental). That is now considered "unhealthy" in the EC! So that would be a lost cause.
Besides, parishes call their own pastors in that church; the bishop sometimes has to allow someone s/he wouldn't want at all due to the rights of the elected parish leaders (called a vestry). Alternatively, the vestry can dump a pastor they don't like, and the bishop will probably do nothing to help him/her out.
I was delighted to find that bishops in the Catholic Church, especially the one in Rome , actally have authority. This actually is the original reason for MY journey to the Eternal City. And we couldn't have been more delighted when Pope Benedict was elected one month later!
Ciao...
--Lisa
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 10:52 am |
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Sorry folks, that last post was not proofread carefully at all. Mea culpa. In the future I will not post before having my first cup of coffee!
To Darlene I meant to say:
You really know what it's like when people only care about the outward appearance of the liturgy. It is so shallow sometimes. I am afraid that as long as it "looks" good (or if the music is pretty) there will still be many who will stick their heads in the sand in the Anglican church. I think it is our job to do what we can to promote quality music in the Catholic fold. After all, that classic church music mostly came from the Catholic church in the first place!
I have to smile when we are singing a Latin motet or Ave Maria at DH's church and they all say how beautiful and spiritual it is. If you prayed those same words out loud in English, some of the very same people would protest, "that's too Roman!" (My all time favorite is Palestrina's Tu es Petrus.)
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 05:27 pm |
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Steven Barrett wrote:
Darlene, I'm sorry to have offended you in any way shape or form. And, yes, I do agree that the Rosary and the Chaplet, etc., can become awfully boring and repititious. Some priests have a knack for going "show time" at wakes when it comes to saying the Rosary on behalf of the family. They'd stretch it out in a most dramatic fashion. So much so that my ever devoutly Catholic parents made sure to pay their respects at wakes and be out before Father arrived. While I love to pray the Rosary, I agree that it can be overdone to the point that Protestants have a very valid point to make!
And, I also agree with you about the greater necessity to have the Episcopal mass meet the bare bones of good moral theology. Having an outwardly practicing homosexual priest saying the funeral was a travesty and I hope you gave the local cathedral a good earfull. They deserved it.
My witticisms about evangelical services are more directed towards all the more recent "innovations" such as the powerpoint and rock music adaptations to what could indeed be very dignified services. The first and traditional service at my family's church is dignified in that sense. What kills us, and my wife especially, is when the younger crowd are able to get their banal tunes and "worship team" stuff inserted, especially during the summer when there's only one service. Thankfully even the pastor can only stand so much, although he's big on powerpoint.
When powerpoint is applied to the "worship team" "music" it reminds me of what I used to see on the old Welk and Mitch Miller sing a long choral pieces on the tube. (Alas, the local parish I also attend seems set up for powerpoint usage. I guess they haven't heard that Ratzinger became Pope two years ago. But better than Kumbaya. But let's face it, I agree with author Michael Day, Catholics can't sing -- at least in the good old USA.)
You're also right to point out that at least in evangelical services, by and large, and I mean by and LARGE, you'll never hear many sermons exhorting the dubious values of the gay-liberation agenda coming from their preachers. And one Ted Haggard does not for a lasting negative impression on evangelical ministries make! Seems like there's alot of Teds in the Episcopal and sad to admit, Catholic priestly ranks. Thanks to Benedict, the latter bunch be greatly diminished in both presence and impact.
You took me to the woodshed and I hope I took it like a man! Ouch!
(Gee, though. If the Episcopalians don't want to keep their rails, we should be more than happy to take and reconsecrate 'em since Benedict's allowing a return to the pre-Vatican II Latin Mass of 1962.)
Duly chastened,
s.
All I have to do is read something you have posted and you have given me my humor dosage for the day.  I dunno if I took you to the woodshed so much as that gay pastor and those supporting him in the Episcopal church.
Darlene
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 05:38 pm |
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heardclarke wrote: You're welcome.
Actually for a REAL dose of "old time religion" we have found a Tridentine Latin Mass, at a Catholic church where the people not only kneel for Communion, but also receive the Sacrament on the tongue. (This was a totally new experience for an Episcopalian "emeritus"!)
Some Saturdays, there is also Benediction right after Mass with chant and incense and all.
Now that's what I call "the beauty of holiness." It is truly awesome.
Hmmm...Perhaps Heardclarke, you have answered my question under the Eucharist category. As you said above, you attended a Mass where the congregation kneeled for Communion and received the host on their tongue. That was my first experience with my Catholic friend when attending Mass with her for the very first time in my youth. Is that how all Catholics received Communion prior to Vatican II? And if so, why was it changed? My understanding is that prior to Vatican II, the Tridentine Mass, as it was called then, was said in Latin, the priest faced the altar when blessing the elements of the Eucharist, and the congregation knelt to receive the host in their mouth. Am I right? Were there any other differences between then and now? So often, when I hear mention of Vatican II, it is in a negative light. Why? Where can I find some information on Vatican II that is reliable?
Ok, nuf questions for now.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2007 07:23 pm |
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Dear Darlene,
Here's my short answer to those questions about Vatican II.
Firstly, yes, it was always in Latin; yes, the priest faced the altar; and I think everyone always received the Host on the tongue. I know that is still the only way some folks will do it. (I have learned how, but feel it is unnecessary to do that when receiving from a Eucharistic lay minister.)
There are a number of books out there which shed light on the controversial aspects of Vatican II. For a quick answer I will say that it was intended to open up some options in the way Mass was celebrated and to make the Mass more understandable to lay folk, and apparently some people (especially in the USA) decided to take the ball and run with it. If you read the actual documents or the GIRM (a liturgical manual based on those documents), you will find that there is no mandate for many of the innovations which have occurred. This is why the Vatican is now re-examining, for example, some of the language of the liturgy (due to inaccurate translations into English).
I promised to keep this short and I am in danger of getting stuck on a soapbox here, so I will just refer you to the books of George Weigel, Michael Daly (sp?), and especially to the Ratzinger Report, a Q & A style book which documents conversations between a journalist and Pope Benedict as he then was. Alternatively, if you prefer TV (or CD) discussions about these things, try to find Fr. John Corapi's lectures. He is awesome! 
Have a good time checking all this out and, if you like, get back to me with your impressions. The liturgy is a neverending topic of conversation at our house!
Pax et caritas,
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Darlene, I can only imagine what that "woodshed session" must've been like!
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heardclarke wrote:
There are a number of books out there which shed light on the controversial aspects of Vatican II. For a quick answer I will say that it was intended to open up some options in the way Mass was celebrated and to make the Mass more understandable to lay folk, and apparently some people (especially in the USA) decided to take the ball and run with it. If you read the actual documents or the GIRM (a liturgical manual based on those documents), you will find that there is no mandate for many of the innovations which have occurred. This is why the Vatican is now re-examining, for example, some of the language of the liturgy (due to inaccurate translations into English).
Lisa,
Those guys (and their liberal ladies on parish liturgical committees) sure ran with the ball. Too bad it was to the wrong end zone.
Hopefully that bunch decided it was time to "hang up the spikes" when Joseph Ratzinger became head coach.Last edited on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 01:11 pm by Steven Barrett
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Posted: Mon Apr 30th, 2007 12:50 pm |
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Yes....it is so ironic that one of those who originally advocated more "openness" is now popularly caricatured as being overly "closeminded!" I don't know Pope Benedict's writings as well as I'd like to, but those I have read (such as The Ratzinger Report) have been sensitive and thoughtful, and his homilies are even better....truly inspiring. I can't wait to read the new book coming out this summer.
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I think there's more to these descriptions than a lot of caricature. Even so, no matter how badly they manage to botch up St. Bland's masses, the worst sung Masses still rate far above the most glorious Protestant services with no less than a Billy Graham as the featured preacher, and all for one reason:
The Eucharist.
No matter how wretched the choir is, no matter how clumsy the altar boys and girls are, and no matter how boring Father's homilies are week after week, the Eucharist is THE DEFINING & SHINING MOMENT that cannot be surpassed in any way shape or form.
How can anyone, even a Billy Graham and the choir of the National Cathedral surpass the very existence of Jesus Christ in our midst?
Sure, some priests ham things up a bit, or mumble through their Masses too quickly, but there's no wiggle room during the actual moment of Consecration.
This leads me to wonder why I had in the past, or why any other Catholic now and in the future would settle for less than what Catholicism offers during every Mass said throughout the world every day and hour. It is the most sublime encounter we have with God with Jesus in the flesh and blood.
So, even if the St. Blands in our dioceses have priests and liturgical committees who are tied by anchor chains to all the post Vatican II "revisions" - even the St. Blands will still have the immense privilege and pleasure of a daily or weekly close encounter of THE BEST KIND: JESUS.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30th, 2007 03:19 pm |
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YES.
I was once complaining about a "new wave" style liturgy, and a good friend brought me up short when he said,
"Actually that mass at that church is tied for the best mass in the world."
It took me a moment and then I got it!
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I'm too embarrassed to admit it, but I can stand a good laugh at my expense when I admit it took me too darn long. That's what happens when people get picky-itis and lose sight of the real plot of the story, the big picture and anything else I can think of to put it all in better perspective.
At least you only took a moment!
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Posted: Thu Sep 13th, 2007 02:07 am |
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Pope St. Leo I, Letter 162: "And hence, if there are any who disagree with these heaven-inspired decisions, let them be left to their own opinions and depart from the unity of the Church with that perverse sect which they have chosen. For it can in no wise be that men who dare to speak against divine mysteries are associated in any communion with us. Let them pride themselves on the emptiness of their talk and boast of the cleverness of their arguments against the Faith..."
heardclarke wrote: Hello anyone,
I am a little confused about this issue. I have posted several times indicating that this is something I still do (and explaining why). Most people seem to accept this peculiarity on my part , but I read a post tonight that suggested I would need to recieve absolution for this. (It wasn't directed at me, but I was curious about it anyway).
Is there anything in the Catechism that speaks to this question? Or any other authoritative source? My priest just said that I need to be sure I attend Mass faithfully every Sunday (or Saturday night) since the other liturgy would not address that obligation.
I know lots of reasons why I would be better off NOT going to the Episcopal church. I have family obligations that overrule those. But if it is forbidden, rather than generally discouraged, I need to know (for one thing, I'd need to go to Confession). :?
Hopefully this question will be moot for me in a few months. Meanwhile, if anyone can shed some light on it, I welcome your input.
Lisa
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Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem: Quam nisi quisque integram inviolatamque servaverit, absque dubio in aeternum peribit.
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Annie
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| First Name: | Annie | | Gender: | Female | | Faith History: | nothing, Quaker, Mennonite, Presbyterian, Methodist, Anglican, Catholic |
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Posted: Thu Sep 13th, 2007 01:01 pm |
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heardclarke wrote: Actually for a REAL dose of "old time religion" we have found a Tridentine Latin | | |
