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Dave Armstrong Network Apologist

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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 07:59 pm |
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The great temptation of the Catholic . . . is the temptation to intellectual pride. It is so obvious that most of his critics are talking without in the least knowing what they are talking about, that he is sometimes a little provoked towards the very un-Christian logic of answering a fool according to his folly. He is a little bit disposed to luxuriate in secret, as it were, over the much greater subtlety and richness of the philosophy he inherits; and only answer a bewildered barbarian so as to bewilder him still more. He is tempted to ironical agreements or even to disguising himself as a dunce.
(The Thing, New York: Sheed & Ward, 1929, 134)
So many people are at once preoccupied with it and prejudiced against it. It is queer to observe so much ignorance with so little indifference. They love talking about it and they hate hearing about it . . . I fancy there is more than meets the eye in this curious controversial attitude; the desire to ask rhetorical questions and not to ask real questions; the wish to heckle and not to hear.
(Ibid., 81-82)
I could not understand why these romancers never took the trouble to find out a few elementary facts about the thing they denounced . . . Boundless freedom reigned; it was not treated as if it were a question of fact at all . . . It puzzled me very much . . . to imagine why people . . . should thus neglect to test their own case, and should draw in this random way on their own imagination . . . I never dreamed that the Roman religion was true; but I knew that its accusers, for some reason or other, were curiously inaccurate.
(The Catholic Church and Conversion, New York: Macmillan, 1926, 36-38)
. . . rags and tatters of stale slander and muddleheadedness . . . the official policy of the opposition to the Church . . . When a man really sees the Church, even if he dislikes what he sees, he does not see what he had expected to dislike. Even if he wants to slay it he is no longer able to slander it . . . There drops from him the holy armor of his invincible ignorance; he can never be so stupid again.
(Ibid., 49-50)
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 08:52 pm |
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Excellent quotations!
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:21 pm |
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Those quotes are certainly a consolation, eh Dave? 
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Robert Member

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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:34 pm |
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The great temptation of the Catholic . . . is the temptation to intellectual pride.
Guilty!!! mia culpa
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Dave Armstrong Network Apologist

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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 06:28 pm |
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Those quotes are certainly a consolation, eh Dave?
They sure were for me back in my conversion period (1990). One has to have a way to deal with anti-Catholic know-nothingism. Humor has been one way that I've used to cope with it (as you well know, from my recent blog escapades!).
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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 02:24 pm |
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DAVE WROTE QUOTING CHESTERTON He is a little bit disposed to luxuriate in secret, as it were, over the much greater subtlety and richness of the philosophy he inherits; and only answer a bewildered barbarian so as to bewilder him still more. He is tempted to ironical agreements or even to disguising himself as a dunce.
I am at a loss sometimes to explaining when challenged, for I am up against such rigidity and animosity. Is is a sin to sit there and let the fool wallow in his folly or do I correct the fellow in the error of his ways? This I ask myself often. I like the way the final sentence ends. I'd rather sit there sometimes looking like the dunce then engage the hater in his folly.
DAVE WROTE QUOTING CHESTERTON When a man really sees the Church, even if he dislikes what he sees, he does not see what he had expected to dislike. Even if he wants to slay it he is no longer able to slander it . . . There drops from him the holy armor of his invincible ignorance; he can never be so stupid again.
That's one to remember. Thanks Dave
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Dave Armstrong Network Apologist

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Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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Hi Jackie,
Is is a sin to sit there and let the fool wallow in his folly or do I correct the fellow in the error of his ways? This I ask myself often.
Me, too, believe me! Actually, either response can be best or right, according to timing and situation. One of my favorite biblical couplets is in Proverbs. At first glance it seems contradictory, but it's not, because we have to remember that proverbs are generalized truths, not absolute truths. If the situation is different, so can be our response. We need to develop discernment to know what to do, when, and how:
Proverbs 26:4-5 Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly,
lest he be wise in his own eyes.
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