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Angie_Rivas1
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 02:00 am |
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I took my mom to Home Depot to buy some dirt for her beuatiful plants. I had my nephews with me so we waited outside. When we got home, my mom was checking the receipt and she realized that the cashier did not charge her for the garden scissors. She bought a 4 big bags plus a pair of scissors. Now she wants to go back to the store to pay for them. I took it as a blessing from God. Then I thought about it and I am not sure what it is the best thing to do since this has never happened to me before... if she does not pay for them, would it be the same as stealing? Am I sinning for looking at it as a gift?
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 06:43 am |
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Your mother is right, Angie. I handed back a penny the other day when a cashier miscounted the change. It would have been a venial sin for me to keep the penny, and the cashier thanked me “for being honest.” It’s that important before both God and man.
As for your thought to keep the scissors, you were not completely aware of the sinfulness, although the fact that you are asking shows that your conscience is telling you it’s wrong. Now, because of your doubt, you are asking (and presumably following through), and I think you have resolved the issue so that you have not sinned. It’s a learning process instead.
May grace and joy abound in your life.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 09:03 am |
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Angie_Rivas1 wrote: Am I sinning for looking at it as a gift?
I would pay for it. I admit that the store personnel will probably look at you like an idiot, but there have been several occasions when I "accidentally" walked out of a store with merchandise I didn't pay for, and went back to "do the right thing". I routinely give back change. That cashier might well be charged for a register shortage, so it's not a gift, it's theft from an employee who is probably making close to minimum wage.
Of course, I also expect to be charged the right price even for sale and clearance items, and I expect not to be short-changed. I'll go back into the store to complain if I am double-charged as well.
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Ali
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 10:12 am |
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CajunRick wrote:there have been several occasions when I "accidentally" walked out of a store with merchandise I didn't pay for, and went back to "do the right thing".
LOL here, this happened more times than I care to remember.
Combine 1 frazzled mom + 1 girl with a running commentary through the entire store + 1 baby grabbing at things = walking out of stores with more than intended and even less paid for.   RFOLOL
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Annie
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 04:22 pm |
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| I'd go back and pay for them. And by the way, it's not DIRT, it's SOIL. It's DIRT when it's under your fingernails. Plants grow in SOIL.
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JillD
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 06:13 pm |
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This would be an opportunity to preach the Gospel without words.
The scissors must be paid for or returned. You might look at the first few verses of Leviticus 6 to see what the Bible has to say about property that is not obtained rightfully, in this case, the store "lost" those scissors because of an employee's error.
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Last edited on Mon Sep 10th, 2007 06:14 pm by JillD
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Angie_Rivas1
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 07:09 pm |
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Thanks for your great advice and the bible verse  Annie, thanks for the correction, that's what happens when I write after my bedtime... I know exactly what to do! I also know my mom and I will be at peace.
Blessings,
Angie
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CajunRick
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 10:25 pm |
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Annie wrote: I'd go back and pay for them. And by the way, it's not DIRT, it's SOIL. It's DIRT when it's under your fingernails. Plants grow in SOIL.
When I buy it, it's dirt. The only thing that grows for me is my waistline.  Of course, the last time I bought dirt, it was in a dump truck.
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brian
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 02:30 am |
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One thing I wanted to ask concerning this subject is when servers at restaurants giveme free stuff. I do not mind when I know they are in authority to do so, or family owns the restaurant or etc. but sometimes, i seem to talk my way into a free taste of something or french fries or don't get charger for things. or teenagers at cofee stores or ice cream places will just give me free stuff. Sometimes I try to insist to pay and they di not care, other times, I just accept it and thing they are the one responsible for their actions, and they are hired by the company so even if they are making a poor chpice they are in authority to do it sort of.
Yet I know enogh servers to know that in some circumstances it is good for business to give things away or try to fix mistakes, but they usually are not encouraged to just give you something for free just because they want to. I never know if I should feel guilty or accept and enjoy the thing offered. I am no talking about times when it is good for business or part of a deal or because of a mistake. I am talking about something where it really seems to be a bad business decision and mostl likely against what the manager would wish.
How can I when I am pretty sure that it was toln from the restaurant. yet, the person working their is the one who is responsible for the judgment call, I am only trusting them, even if I do not believe them. any thoughts?
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JillD
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 12:30 pm |
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brian wrote: or teenagers at cofee stores or ice cream places will just give me free stuff.
My daughter worked for a time at a coffee shop. I told her to NEVER give away free coffee to friends, or anyone else for that matter! One of her coworkers once offered me coffee for free and I just told him, with a smile on my face, that it wasn't his to give away. He pondered that and later thanked me. He never did it again.
Apparently, it wasn't enough, though. The shop went out of business.
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Darlene
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Posted: Tue Sep 11th, 2007 01:37 pm |
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Angie_Rivas1 wrote: I took my mom to Home Depot to buy some dirt for her beuatiful plants. I had my nephews with me so we waited outside. When we got home, my mom was checking the receipt and she realized that the cashier did not charge her for the garden scissors. She bought a 4 big bags plus a pair of scissors. Now she wants to go back to the store to pay for them. I took it as a blessing from God. Then I thought about it and I am not sure what it is the best thing to do since this has never happened to me before... if she does not pay for them, would it be the same as stealing? Am I sinning for looking at it as a gift?
Angie
Angie,
This sort of thing has happened to both me and my husband on various occasions. Once a bank teller gave my husband an excess of $100.00 when his check was cashed. He walked out of the bank and counted the money. Astonished that a mistake was made regarding such a large amount of money, he knew he had to return it immediately. The teller complimented him on being a "good man." That's when my husband said that he didn't return the money because he was a good man. Rather, he said he returned the money because he is a Christian, and Christ lives inside of him. He also said that if he had kept the money, he never would have been able to live with himself having commit such a serious sin. In this situation, my husband saw it as an opportunity to give glory to God by pointing to the One who helped him to make such an honest decision.
"Always be ready to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence; and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame."
"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."
Darlene
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beachmoss
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Posted: Wed Sep 12th, 2007 07:37 pm |
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brian wrote: One thing I wanted to ask concerning this subject is when servers at restaurants giveme free stuff. I do not mind when I know they are in authority to do so, or family owns the restaurant or etc. but sometimes, i seem to talk my way into a free taste of something or french fries or don't get charger for things. or teenagers at cofee stores or ice cream places will just give me free stuff. Sometimes I try to insist to pay and they di not care, other times, I just accept it and thing they are the one responsible for their actions, and they are hired by the company so even if they are making a poor chpice they are in authority to do it sort of.
Yet I know enogh servers to know that in some circumstances it is good for business to give things away or try to fix mistakes, but they usually are not encouraged to just give you something for free just because they want to. I never know if I should feel guilty or accept and enjoy the thing offered. I am no talking about times when it is good for business or part of a deal or because of a mistake. I am talking about something where it really seems to be a bad business decision and mostl likely against what the manager would wish.
How can I when I am pretty sure that it was toln from the restaurant. yet, the person working their is the one who is responsible for the judgment call, I am only trusting them, even if I do not believe them. any thoughts?
Brian,
We are regulars at a certain restaurant (national chain) where the waitress often brings a free dish of ice cream to the kids. We always leave a tip that is generous enough for her service with extra to cover the freebies if it is called into question.
And this goes with other places too. If we are given a "freebie" we always leave enough in the tip to cover the amount of the item. It is was simply an oversight on the part of the wait staff--like forgetting to add a second serving of milk to the bill--then we will ask the server to correct the error or tell the cashier that our server forgot to add it. If the server doesn't add it, we add it to his/her tip. If the cashier doesn't add it--then we consider it a gift.
And, Brian, it seems to me that if you are sometimes "talking your way into a free taste of something or french fries" then perhaps you should go easy on charming the waitresses until they are off the clock!
Beth
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Candlemass
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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 04:45 am |
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| Something like this happened to me years ago, I bought take out at Dairy Queen, they never charged me for a few items. I went back the next day, showed them the recipt and paid for the items, they gave me a free hot fudge sunday......"brownie points"!
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