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brian
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Posted: Tue Nov 7th, 2006 08:58 am |
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| is it wrong to work on a sunday if you absolutely do not have to? i was offered a one day job on a coming sunday and i want to take it. it will not interfere with going to mass, and the fact is, it is more of a joy than work. i will get to play music with some old friends who i miss playing with who will be in town. i would do this for free just to get together and have a good time and i would consider it a great way to spend my sabbath. so would it be wrong now that i am getting paid? or could i agree to give all the money away to make up for it? i know many have to work on sundays and they have to figure that out, but this issue is new to me. Is it ok to do personal work on sunday if you consider it more of a passion or possibly something you were created to do? if someone enjoyed writing or drawing and sometimes got paid for it, would it be wrong to do some creative work on a sunday?
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue Nov 7th, 2006 09:21 am |
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Traditionally the way the prohibition of working on Sunday had two parts in it which, taken together, should show you the Church’s intention. First, the reference was to “servile work,” by which is meant one’s regular daily job, especially if it involves intensive physical or mental exertion. Second is the notion of a “change of pace” and the special dedication of the day to the Lord.
What I see in the opportunity you mention is more of a social and creative nature than real work. Furthermore, it is a one-day affair, and this just happens to fall on a Sunday. So it is not part of the “daily grind.”
My opinion is this: You will be attending Mass. You will be relaxing and enjoying God’s day with old friends. If you get paid for it as well, this is the best of all worlds. Go for it.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Nov 7th, 2006 01:00 pm |
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Not surprisingly, I agree with David. If at all possible, we should not work if it excludes us from attending mass, but even that sometimes is a necessity. But whatever our activities, they should be revitalizing and help us draw closer to God.
The prohibition against work on Sunday was instituted at a time when people typically worked seven days a week, often for the benefit of a feudal lord. Forcing them to have a day off allowed them to attend mass, spend time with their families, and do necessary chores around the house. In these days of the 40 hour, 5 day work week, it's not as necessary for our physical, mental, and spiritual well-being that we refrain from work on Sunday.
Most of the things we do for leisure and relaxation involves the work of others. My wife works in a movie theatre, so for others to relax and be entertained, she sometimes has to work. Nurses work in hospitals and nursing homes. Police, firemen, and military personnel all work, as do workers at the zoo and the museum and the aquarium. Sometimes, choosing to work on Sunday can be an unselfish act in God's service so that others can be healed or entertained. Even shopping can sometimes be the only outing a family can afford in a given week, and Sunday might be the only time they can do it. We couldn't spend a Sunday afternoon watching football if all those athletes, coaches, security guards, ticket takers, concession vendors, and broadcasters weren't working. And sometimes we choose to work on Sunday so that others can worship. After all, our priests work on Sundays, too! And by the way, they do get paid for it.
Jesus told us that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Yes, it is the Lord's Day and yes, we need to keep it holy ... but there are many paths to holiness and many ways to express it.
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Darlene
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Posted: Thu Nov 9th, 2006 04:13 pm |
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Dear Cajunrick,
Can you explain in greater depth just what Jesus meant when He said, "Man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath for man?" I've often wondered about the meaning of this verse.
I once had a job, working with the elderly, in which I was scheduled to work every other Sunday. The nice thing about that job is that there was both a Protestant Service and a Catholic Mass that was held right at the facility. So I used to go with the residents to the Protestant Service. That way I didn't miss worshipping the Lord on that Sunday.
At this point in my life, I consider Sundays very special. Church takes up quite a bit of the morning and part of the afternoon. Usually we don't arrive home till 1:00 or 1:30 p.m. On my recent job interview, I was filling out quite a bit of paper work. One of the questions asked if I would be willing to work on weekends. I said I would not work on Sundays. It just so happens that this particular job does not require one to work on Sunday. Every six weeks, one has to work on one day of the weekend, but it can be Saturday or Sunday.
I think that often, this matter of working on Sundays comes down one's conscience and what is permissable for them to do.
Love in Christ,
Darlene
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Luke12:48
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Posted: Thu Nov 9th, 2006 10:24 pm |
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I was just reading about this in an online bible study. Here is the link
http://www.salvationhistory.com/online/beginner/class_1lesson1_3.cfm
I hope it helps.
It seems that the basic idea is that the Sabbath was made for man to have a time apart from the work required the other 6 days after that fall and that this is reminiscent of Eden and the establishment of God's covenant with man.
I'm sure others herecan elaborate more but you might like the link as well in that it is a very interesting bible study and can be done online and is free.
I also found some interesting articles on the sabbath being Saturday instead of Sunday and quite a bit of debate over the right of man/church to move it to Sunday but so far, this particular site has not addressed that issue.
Good Luck.
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catholicdan
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Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 04:40 pm |
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Ah the Sabbath issue! 
I will put in my 50 cents (inflation) here.
I went from being a Pentecostal preacher to a Seventh Day Adventist and one of the main reasons for this was the Sabbath issue. The Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments give to us by God him self written by his finger and passed to Moses.
The Fourth Commandment reads: Exodus 20:8-11
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Now, in the SDA church this text is read as the Jews read it and follow it to this day by observing the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. I did this for almost seven years and was convinced that this was one of the practices that all churches were falling short.
When I started reading the Ante-Nicaean Fathers I was from very early on that the Jewish Sabbath was still observed but Sunday or the first day of the week was a special day and eventually became the Sabbath of the church.
Now as to whether or not we can work on that day is a matter of following the Commandments of God and the Church or the whims of men.
Here is my challenge.
We are the people of God and citizens of His Kingdom. Our standards and laws are of a much more higher degree. Yes, we obey the laws of the land as long as those laws do not interfere with or cause us to violate God's Law. Because the followers of Chirst have become lax in their good works and faithfulness to God's Law and the commands of Christ does not excuse you are I from being disobedient to Chist.
The reason for the Sabbath as Christ stated is not for the Sabbaths sake but for ours. First, because we need to set that time aside to build our relationship with God and day dedicated to complete focus and surrender to God and the community of saints in the making. Second, we need to take a rest from all the craziness of the week and get focused back on what matters...God. Third, it is a time to bring the family together and refresh our relationship which is focused on, you got it! God.
The beauty of the Sabbath is to me a sacrament in itself if I may use that term. We have a devine date with our Heavenly Father each and every week where we can bask in his presence and glory all day long! It is a time to reflect and love God back and be loved and comforted by the Holy Spirit. It is also a powerful sign to the world who we are and who we worship! A testimony that there is one God who created the heavens and the earth and mankind.
The Sabbath is not a burden but a blessing. The Sabbath is not heavy but Holy. The Sabbath is about relationships, with our Creator, families and community of believers. The Sabbath is awesome!
The Ante-Nicaean Fathers did abserve the first Sabbath as a time of prayer and fasting to prepare for the next day the day our God and Savior rose from the dead victorious over sin and death. He died for our sins and rose for our justification so that mankind would be taken care of from the craddle to the grave!
All Glory and honor power and strength be unto the Ancient of Days!
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Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 09:24 pm |
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| You might like to check out the works of Samuele Bacchiocchi. He is an SDA scholar who has writen on this subject. He is also a graduate of the Pontifical University in Rome and can be found at multiple sites on the Internet.
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catholicdan
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Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2007 11:25 pm |
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I have all of Dr. Samuelle Bacchiochi's books and his book "From Sabbath To Sunday" with the Pontifical Seal of Approval on it.
Dr. Bacchiochi is a very good historian yet we need to remember that his sway is that of the Adventist persuasion, yet about two or so years ago he made a very controversial statement about Islam and Mrs. White possibly misunderstanding or not seeing the Islamic faith and its roll in prophesy.
His thesis on the Sabbath is a very good work and takes a bit of time to go through but is worth it as long as one remembers that he is and Adventist Historian.
Peace.
NOTE: Edited to remove faulty link. Last edited on Mon Jul 16th, 2007 09:20 am by
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BodRod
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Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2007 11:53 pm |
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Hi Danny,
I too, have read his book "From Sabbath To Sunday". I read it shortly after it was published. I thought it was an excellent piece of work and I was very suprised at the cold reception some of the SDA members were giving it.
Also, several of the SDA members have made negative statements during, the last 30 years about Mrs. White and her "work". I looked into that also, and I was somewhere between shocked and stunned as to how much she plagiarized, pictures and all, from other writers. Even the White Estate now denies that some of the stories about her ever happened. For example, one of their favorite stories about EGW holding up the heavy Bible while she spoke never happend. She had an interesting approach to starting a religion.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2007 12:39 am |
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catholicdan wrote: with the Pontifical Seal of Approval on it.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no official Church designation known as the "Pontifical Seal of Approval". Could you explain what you mean by this?
After an official Church review by a "Nihil Obstat", a resource is given an "Imprimateur" by a bishop. It's an indication that the work does not contradict Catholic teaching, not that it's necessarily any good. It's not a "Seal of Approval" but a certification of freedom from error.
It's possible a pope may have written an introduction or commentary on the writing, but that would be a personal representation and not an "official" designation.
Or is there some other level of authority of which I'm not aware?
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Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2007 08:47 am |
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| It was a looooong time ago but I think I remember that he was the first non-Catholic to attend and graduate from that university. Also, he received a gold medal from the pope for his 1st place standing in his class (GPA). The book was the results of his doctoral dissertation.
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