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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 08:39 am |
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In the United States we have a wide open presidential election in 2008, the first since 1952 in which the president is not seeking reelection and the vice president is not seeking to replace him.
How do the candidates look to you? Is there one in particular who looks the best? How well do you think they conform to Catholic social teaching? At this point, who is your first, second, and third choice? Do you live in an early caucus/primary state?
Who is not running that you would like to see as a candidate?
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 10:00 am |
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CajunRick wrote: How do the candidates look to you? Is there one in particular who looks the best? How well do you think they conform to Catholic social teaching? At this point, who is your first, second, and third choice? Fist Choice: Sam Brownback. (I think his solution to the Iraq quandry makes sense). Second: Huckabee. After that, things look bleak. Guiliani, of course, does not conform to any good moral teaching, both in his marriages and in his support of abortion and homosexual marriage. I don't trust Romney because of his shifting positions on moral issues. Where is all that $ coming from? Faced with a choice of Clinton v. Guiliani, I would have to hold my nose and vote for the latter, but I wouldn't like it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 12:06 pm |
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JasPax wrote: I don't trust Romney because of his shifting positions on moral issues. Where is all that $ coming from?
The only shifting I have heard that Romney has done is to change from pro-abortion to pro-life. That is GOOD! Is there more?? I made the same change in my life, so I'm certainly not going to fault him for 'seeing the light.'
And the money is his. Apparently, he's the wealthiest candidate running. There may be better candidates than he, but it's looking like he's at least got a chance to get the nomination. If Giuliani gets it, I'll probably skip that box altogether on Voting Day.
I think we're all going to be sick to death of this whole thing by the time Nov. 2008 comes around. Can you believe this???? Two full years of electioneering??? aaaccckkkkkkk!!!
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 03:31 pm |
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| Romney has also changed his second amendment position and cynically joined the NRA even though he is no hunter or sport shooter.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 03:36 pm |
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Annie wrote: cynically
Do you know this for a fact? What evidence do you have that he has done this only for show? This adverb seems rather sharp.
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Annie
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 04:15 pm |
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The NRA is for hunters and sport shooters and he is neither. He has always been for gun control until now. That is cynicism defined. I am no flip flop fan.
I also can't see myself voting for a Mormon.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 06:19 pm |
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I thought the NRA was for anyone who believes the citizenry needs to maintain its right to bear arms, not just for sport, but also to keep the gov't at bay, should there ever be a need. Too bad the Jews in Germany didn't own lots of guns back in the 1930's and 40's....
If it's just for sport, then I stand corrected.
Personally, I'll vote for a pro-life Mormon before I'll vote for a pro-abortion "Catholic."
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JasPax
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 08:11 pm |
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JillD wrote: The only shifting I have heard that Romney has done is to change from pro-abortion to pro-life. That is GOOD! Is there more?? I made the same change in my life, so I'm certainly not going to fault him for 'seeing the light.' The difference is that he went against his Mormon teaching just to get elected in a liberal state - Massachusetts.
If Giuliani gets it, I'll probably skip that box altogether on Voting Day.
The only problem with that is that we can have some hope that a Republican will appoint judges who will uphold moral standards and not render new legislation from the bench. We know what the alternative will bring us in the way of judges! I think we're all going to be sick to death of this whole thing by the time Nov. 2008 comes around. Can you believe this???? Two full years of electioneering??? aaaccckkkkkkk!!! I agree.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16th, 2007 08:16 pm |
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My husband is a lifetime member of the NRA despite no longer hunting or sport shooting. He feels that a responsible armed populace is the best defense against tyranny. I am not quite as comfortable with guns as he and he has gotten rid of most of his guns since we married, leaving a practical shot gun(for use against bears, panthers and rabid things, all of which have been sighted within a mile of our house) and some historical weapons.
Anyway, I am sorely disappointed by the choices so far. Among the democrats Hillary is my worst nightmare what with being radical feminist and wanting my kids raised by the government. Of course, homeland security republicans scare me just as much, I see them as the new Gestapo. I am looking for a common sense moderate of either side who has no radical agendas and has tact and diplomacy.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 02:37 am |
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Ha, this is so funny. One of my mother's objections to Catholicism over the summer was "You know, Racaela, most Catholics are democrats." My family has always been very republican (and by very, I mean that my dad has run for political office a number of times and I started campaigning for my parents' candidates at age four), so my mom stated this as fact and like it should be the end of my search into Catholicism.
So, when I saw this thread, I was slightly nervous. And then I was pleasantly pleased.
Anyway, I would have to say Huckabee and then Brownback, though it might help if Brownback pulled out and endorsed Huckabee, giving Huckabee a greater following than Romney. But that's just my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 04:49 am |
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How about all write in Rick's name? 
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 09:12 am |
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JillD wrote: I thought the NRA was for anyone who believes the citizenry needs to maintain its right to bear arms, not just for sport, but also to keep the gov't at bay, should there ever be a need. Too bad the Jews in Germany didn't own lots of guns back in the 1930's and 40's....
If it's just for sport, then I stand corrected.
Personally, I'll vote for a pro-life Mormon before I'll vote for a pro-abortion "Catholic."
The NRA was founded to improve the rifle skills of the citizenry, which were shown to be perfectly awful in the Civil War (the first NRA president was Ambrose Burnside). It ran/runs the Civilian Marksmanship Program but in the last century became the national overseer of most of the shooting sports as well as hunting and shooting safety regulations and programs. But most of the NRA's modern business is in sport. It has been forced to get involved in politics by the gun grabbers who wrongly blame an inanimate object for the sometimes wrong things done with it.
And yes, you are correct about the real purpose of the second amendment, it is about keeping the government in check.
On another subject in this thread: a tactical shotgun might not be such a good idea. A rifle would be much better. It depends on what kind of building you live in and what "varmints" you expect to encounter. Those of us who expect encounters with the two-legged kind are better off with more firepower. Also, a shotgun is useless against a bear or large predatory animal. And a wounded bear is a mean thing. Almost as bad as me with a back ache!:X <--grrrrr
And please don't shoot a panther, if you mean an Eastern mountain lion, they are federally protected and if you shoot one in an attack you will still be charged with a felony.Last edited on Fri Aug 17th, 2007 09:25 am by Annie
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 10:52 am |
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Annie wrote: The NRA is for hunters and sport shooters and he is neither. He has always been for gun control until now. That is cynicism defined. I am no flip flop fan.
I also can't see myself voting for a Mormon.
I agree with you Annie.
I can never see myself voting for a mormon. The mormon faith is grounded in heresy and is therefore diametrically at odds with the Catholic faith.
http://www.truthandgrace.com/Jesusmarried.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Mormons.html
And on and on and on...
Remember Mountain Meadows...
http://www.mtn-meadows-assoc.com/
Brownback '08
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 11:40 am |
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Annie wrote: But most of the NRA's modern business is in sport. It has been forced to get involved in politics by the gun grabbers who wrongly blame an inanimate object for the sometimes wrong things done with it.
And yes, you are correct about the real purpose of the second amendment, it is about keeping the government in check.
And please don't shoot a panther, if you mean an Eastern mountain lion, they are federally protected and if you shoot one in an attack you will still be charged with a felony.
I support the NRA's stance on guns for hunting. A lot of people don't understand the importance of correct game and fish conservation, and how hunting and fishing is a part of it. What I don't understand is the NRA's protection of weaponry designed for the army being held by citizenry. Things like M16's (if those aren't out of date already) and such. It's not like a few scattered people here and there are going to take on the U.S. government and keep it under control by force. Talk about Dodge City! We'd all be dodging.
It does sound like Romney has aligned himself with them just for political support. Like some politicians all of a sudden find religion when the voter base is looking for that. But I wouldn't put gun control at the top of my priorities in picking a candidate. I'm most concerned with abortion and border control.
And they'd just have to charge me with the felony if I were attacked by a mountain lion and had the ability and presence of mind to shoot it before it ate me!
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 11:55 am |
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Credo Catholic wrote: What I don't understand is the NRA's protection of weaponry designed for the army being held by citizenry.
Unfortunately, the main stream media is greatly misinformed about firearms in general and so-called "assault weapons" in particular (which are normal semi-automatic firearms designated as "assault weapons" by ignorant politicians on the basis of cosmetics).
This generally is an area that people need to get educated about. NEVER rely on the mainstream media or other uninformed sources for information about important matters. This is like asking a Jehovah's Witness to explain the Catholic catechism. They not only don't understand it but have an axe to grind.
Full disclosure: the new "assault weapons" ban would ban two of my most cherished firearms, a pump-action .410 (huh?) and a Saiga rifle. The fuzzy language of the grandfather clause is of concern as well, opening the door to confiscation.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 12:17 pm |
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| Fuzzy language is how bills get passed, don't you know! My knowledge in this area is way too limited for me to form a definite opinion, but I know it is very important to a lot of people. My husband has a locked gun case with rifles and shotguns he uses for hunting. He also has a few pistols (or revolvers? I don't know). He was in law enforement and had those. We support the right to bear arms in general. Our families, from the rural south, have a long history of hunting and fishing, not for sport but for food. That's hard for some people nowadays to understand. There are many people in our state who have freezers full of venison and bass!
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 12:29 pm |
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| Could we trust anyone who thinks they are a member of God's special few OR "gets new light", when it is politically advantageous?
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 12:54 pm |
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| I missed last year and got a freezer full of nothing. I hope to redeem myself this year. I did get some fox squirrels though. MMMmmmm. (sear until brown, add stock, simmer until tender, make a reduction, serve with sourdough bread and tangerine or orange slices).
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 01:45 pm |
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Annie wrote: I missed last year and got a freezer full of nothing. I hope to redeem myself this year. I did get some fox squirrels though. MMMmmmm. (sear until brown, add stock, simmer until tender, make a reduction, serve with sourdough bread and tangerine or orange slices).
Squirrel recipes. Yummy! I'd like to keep them out of Sweetie's bird feeders, but if you shoot one around here you'd probably get twenty years! PETA is watching!
Hey Rick, I guess you need to start a new thread for hunting or maybe for wild game recipes.
Speaking of politicians - Anyone know where Fred Thompson stands on issues like abortion, etc?
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 01:54 pm |
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| I've been following Fred. He seems to have the more traditional moral values.
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I think Fred T. was against his parents having an abortion!!!  Last edited on Sat Aug 18th, 2007 05:24 pm by BodRod
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Posted: Fri Aug 17th, 2007 05:42 pm |
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BodRod wrote: How about all write in Rick's name?
I have a feeling that's a bridge no one would want to cross! I could guarantee you an interesting four years! (I'd never get reelected.)
Hey Rick, I guess you need to start a new thread for hunting or maybe for wild game recipes.
Not me, James. I'm not a hunter. But it certainly isn't appropriate for this thread!
I'm looking forward to starting a thread on Thanksgiving and Christmas and Easter traditions and recipes!
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It is my understanding that where I live I can shoot any animal attacking people or livestock, whether endangered or not. Obviously, if it just wandering through my yard I can't shoot it. I can't seriously imagine a law that says I have to let a mountain lion kill my child because it is endangered.
I live in a rather rural area on the edge of a national forest and the bears and coyotes have been doming down out of the forest because it is very dry, they attack pets and garbage. My husband is pretty sure he saw a bear in the hayfield behind our house. We have 2 large dogs(a retriever huskey mix and a German Shepherd) outside in a fenced yard and I think they could hold off a bear if it came after them but they decided to break in the back door because they smelled food through the cat door I would not want to wait for county animal control to come. I have also seen coyotes in the hayfield across the highway. There have been recent reports of them grabbing pets and stalking small kids. Also we have rattlesnakes and copperheads which have been know to become agressive and I don't want them staking a claim to my yard. Not to mention there have been several cases of rabid raccons, skunks and possums in our county which could come through the cat door easily. I have had non-rabid ones try to do this. I bopped the non-rabid ones with a broom to chase them off but I am not coming in broom length of one that looks sick. So human intruders are not my primary concern.
As to Racaela's mom's comment, my parents are Presbyterian although they spent most of their lives as Baptists and they are rabid Democrats. They blame everything on Bush to the point of absurdity, so believe me being Democrat is no Catholic thing. My husband who was raised Catholic has always been a strong Republican. Me I am very middle of the road with Libertarian leanings and spent most of my childhood Methodist and then Reformed.
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| Sounds like an NRA candidate would have your vote Becky!
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BodRod wrote: How about all write in Rick's name?
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