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Ali
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| First Name: | Ali | | Gender: | Female | | Faith History: | JW, finally fully Catholic |
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 12:08 pm |
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My thoughts are sort of twisted up on this thought, therefore, I probably won't say what I mean very well 
I believe that we should all work, that the government should be there to bail us out every time we have a problem. I believe in capitalism. But I also believe that those government programs are great to help families through a rough patch, unfortunately they seem to take the place of what we used to rely on our families for. I also believe that we should all have access to things like health care for major medical conditions and maintenance drugs. Unfortunately, so much is wrapped up in health care right now that it is extremely expensive.
So while I don't like the idea on the surface of gov't run healthcare, it's not really about what I like. It should be about what is right for ~people~ as a whole, regardless of cost or my own personal feelings.
Sort of similar with illegal immigration or the amnesty act. I feel that letting all those people be here and use our system is not good for the country. But on the other hand, what is the Christian thing to do? It's not to seperate families and send them back to the extreme poverty that they ran from or to unstable countries.
I'm really more libertarian in my views of government, but tend to vote as a conservative Republican simply because of candidate choice. I don't think I could vote Democrat based on their pro-choice stance. But their social issues more closely align with what I mentioned above.
{sigh} I feel like just throwing a dart and voting for whoever it comes closest to.
So how do you balance these issues, and similar ones?
Ali, who hopes to see some good discussions and possibly some debate that we keep friendly and above board
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Annie
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 01:04 pm |
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There is a lot of false information being tossed around about our health care system and those who supposedly "don't have access" to health care. And the falsified number of those who are "uninsured." Also about the human cost of socialized medicine. Look at Britain and Canada. Britain has been at it longer so is much worse than Canada, which is getting there. Rationing is the inevitable result of nationalizing the medical system, which also represents 18% of our economy.
You are correct in your surmising that there has been a human cost to our welfare system. After 70+ years we have developed a strong sense of entitlement. The government has taken the place of the churches in this regard. This is partly why there are so few tithers now. People look at that 20% or so of their income that evaporates to a faceless government.
It is good that you are thinking about these things. Just make sure you get the facts first before making a decision.
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Ali
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 01:08 pm |
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Annie wrote: Just make sure you get the facts first before making a decision.
Yeah, where to these facts come from? It's so hard to get numbers that aren't spun to paint one side or the other in a good/bad light. {where are those darts?}  I listen to conservative talk radio daily, so I am familiar with the number game, lol.
Ali
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beachmoss
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 03:05 pm |
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Ali,
I used to be (still sorta am) all for socialized medicine. I think it would be great if we took care of all of our citizens. But then my (military) husband said, "Look, you hate military health care. You hate the mediocre care and lack of choice. That's what socialized medicine is."
Well, I guess he was right. I hated the fact that he had to be told which doctors to see and that he sometimes received what I thought was inadequate care. And my one-time personal dealing with it was 2 hours on the phone getting the runaround, finally told to go to the clinic, then being asked "why did you come here?"--all this just for a pregnancy test and an ok to see the midwife that delivered my first child! We always paid for Tri-Care Standard for the family so that we didn't have to see a military doctor. So on that point I started slowly changing my mind about socialized medicine. Yet I still do see great benefits to it. I'm still trying to sort this out in my mind.
On the immigration issue--we are all descended from immigrants, except pure-blood Native Americans, which there are now probably very few, if any. I have no problem with immigration. Personally, I think if we limit immigration too much we should topple Lady Liberty in the harbour.
Before I became Catholic I always voted Democrat, because abortion just was not an issue for me. And I hate to admit it, but it's still, for me, not the sole reason to choose a candidate. Honestly, I could vote for a pro-choice candidate if he or she were honest about being so; unlike John Kerry who said that he was personally against it, but continued to vote for it (and receive communion!). But the candidate would have to be really good with other issues--tops being this mess in Iraq.
My feeling on the abortion issue--and this is my personal opinion only--is that Republicans are Pro-Life so they can have more people to tax, and Democrats are Pro-Choice so they will have less people to help.
Ok, this has been long and rambly, and I've probably just made myself the most hated person on the Forum. So I'll close now.
Beth
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Annie
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Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 03:08 pm |
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| You need to go to the primary source. Talk radio is a tertiary source.
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