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kimdyuma
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Posted: Sun Aug 19th, 2007 10:16 pm |
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This was sent to me as an email:
Dear Fellow Long Suffering Anglican,
Earlier today I was moved to write to Queen Elizabeth asking her, in the fullness of her capacity as "Supreme Governor of the Church of England," to intercede in support of the faithful among the
Archbishops in the Anglican Communion. If a Province of the orthodox faithful is ever to be established in North America, it, seemingly, short of an absolute miracle of God, is going to require the full attention, commitment and direction of the Queen.
Subject only to the advice of the Prime Minister, it is she who
appoints the Archbishop of Canterbury - and he serves at her pleasure.
Her full title incorporates the famous phrase "Defender of the Faith."
The suggestion that the Communion and the faith might be lost, if
Canterbury continues to waiver, needs to be spelled out in dramatic terms to Her Majesty so that she might realize and act upon the need for intercession before it's too late.
It has occurred to me that if we could encourage our brothers and
sisters who care about God's glory and the survival of the Anglican Communion to launch a writing campaign, generating one million letters and emails over the next 30 days, then Canterbury might be subject to more direct scrutiny and direction from Her Majesty.
Please forward an email to as many of the faithful as you know with a request that they also write the Queen and alert their correspondents to do the same.
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Sun Aug 19th, 2007 10:51 pm |
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I suppose that, in the author’s eyes, this expedient was just as reasonable as appealing to the Almighty.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 10:05 am |
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Is that saying that King (or Queen) of England (so long as he or she is an Anglican?) is the "Pope" of the Church of England? "Supreme Governor" sounds like an appropriate title for a Pope.
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 11:00 am |
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| Reigning Monarch in England Has to be an Anglican and they are not allowed to marry a Catholic ( that is specified) but since no other faith is specified they are free to marry a Muslim, or what ever just not Catholic. In fact one of The Royals ( cousin I think to Harry and Will) will have to formally abdicate his place in the line (10th) if his current fiance doesn't renounce her Catholic faith.
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kimdyuma
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 11:01 am |
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| Yes they are the head of the Anglican Church
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Annie
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 11:13 am |
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If I were Anglican still I wouldn't laugh or cry, I would help out with it. Yes, the Queen is the head of the Anglican Church though that will end with her death, as the Prince of Wales has said he wants the title to be changed to "Defender of Faith" (no particular faith specified). THAT is sad.
We of course pray about church issues as with anything else but that doesn't stop us from writing letters to the bishop when necessary.:X
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JasPax
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 11:50 am |
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It is sad and a waste of paper. The schism continues.
"Defender of the Faith." This title was given to Henry VIII in 1521 by Pope Leo X after a book under Henry's name was published, Assertio Septem Sacramentor, which opposed Luther and defended the Church's teaching regarding the Sacraments and the supremacy of the Pope.
A few years later, when Henry "divorced" Catherine and married Anne Boleyn against the wishes of Pope Clement VII, that title, Defenere of the Faith," was kept by the English monarchy.
The present Queen's namesake, Elizabeth I, the illegitimate daughtere of Anne Boleyn (who Henry executed ), passed on the title and "defended the faith" by executing, in 1587, Mary Stuart (Queen of Scots) - her half-cousin, on trumped up charges, to make certain that no Catholic could regain the throne. Later, Mary Stuart's son James, became the protestant king. (King James Bible).
Religious communities born in schism can never be settled.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 12:40 pm |
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japhy wrote: Is that saying that King (or Queen) of England (so long as he or she is an Anglican?) is the "Pope" of the Church of England?
Not quite. As has become quite clear in recent years, no one has doctrinal authority over the Church of England. A bishop is totally autonomous within his (or her) own diocese. Bishops are chosen by election, and doctrinal questions are usually settled the same way. Thus one diocese can embrace abortion on demand while another denounces it; one diocese can elect a practicing homosexual as bishop while another refuses to recognize the election; etc. I'm not sure what the actual range of the Queen's authority over the Church is, beyond her ability to appoint the Archbishop of Canturbery, but he certainly has no real authority at all.
Or at least that's the way I understand it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 02:23 pm |
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| At one time there was some authority there with both the Arch Bishop and the Queen but today they are mostly the official rubber stamp after the Parliament has made the decisions
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 02:31 pm |
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kimdyuma wrote: At one time there was some authority there with both the Arch Bishop and the Queen but today they are mostly the official rubber stamp after the Parliament has made the decisions
Can Parliament actually decide doctrinal issues? If that's the case, it's even worse than I thought! There's enough politics in the church already without actually turning the operation over to politicians!
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 02:43 pm |
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| I don't think that they can
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 08:15 pm |
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I am sure Parliament has better things to do!
They don't discuss the doctrines of the Anglican Church. It's just as well, since those are so hard to discover. Matters of faith and morals are largely left to the conscience of the individual believer. Most of the Anglicans go to church for fellowship and to hear the music, as far as I can tell.
Some of the churches run soup kitchens or do other charitable work. That's good, of course, as far as it goes. There is some activism directed at environmental issues and equal rights. The focus is all on this world, almost never on the sacraments or the moral law at such places.
If you go to Britain (we were over there just 2 weeks ago, singing in London and Edinburgh), you will see many differences between Catholic and Anglican congregations. The Catholic churches have many more communicants at each service, and they are of all ages and races. The Anglican churches have mostly white people, and they are almost all over forty. This is because the younger generation (except Catholics) hardly goes to church at all, and they aren't having many children, either.
This thread makes me want one of those bumper stickers with Pope Benedict on it. On one of them the message reads, "The cafeteria is closed." Another says, "I love my German Shepherd."
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Posted: Fri Aug 24th, 2007 04:00 pm |
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For what it's worth, one member of the Royal Household has made a definitive statement as to where he stands on the matter.
Prince Charles ...said in 1994 that when he became Supreme Governor of the Church of England, he would rather be "defender of faiths" than "defender of the faith". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/30/nchas30.xml
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