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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 01:24 pm |
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I posted this on my blog, but I would like to hear from those involved in The CHN, as I'm sure these questions have been dealt with from multiple angles before:
1. What is the pastoral provision?
http://www.pastoralprovision.org/
The Pastoral Provision is a service rendered to the bishops of the United States by which former Episcopalian priests who have been accepted as candidates for priestly ordination receive theological, spiritual, and pastoral preparation for ministry in the Catholic Church. Since 1983 over seventy men have been ordained for priestly ministry in Catholic dioceses of the United States; seven personal parishes have been established and the Book of Divine Worship has been authorized.
2. Why just Anglicans? What about Lutheran, Presbyterian, and other pastors? We know that the Anglican priests are "re-ordained", so why not others?
http://www.chnetwork.org/
3. What about non-denominational, evangelical protestant pastors that convert?
http://onionboy.typepad.com/orginal_luminousmiseries/
4. What about young, married men that convert, but were never drawn to "Bible Church" pastoral ministry and were only semi-Anglican for a year while they were reading Catholic books?
http://chadisnotenough.blogspot.com/
If you haven't guessed, the last one is me. 
Last edited on Tue Feb 20th, 2007 01:25 pm by RonRule
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 02:24 pm |
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RonRule wrote: I posted this on my blog, but I would like to hear from those involved in The CHN, as I'm sure these questions have been dealt with from multiple angles before:
I'm not quite sure what you're looking for from us. There doesn't seem to be a question there.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 02:30 pm |
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I'm interested in thoughts about ordination to the priesthood for converts that are not Anglican Priests and thus not eligable for the current Pastoral Provision.
Have there been any married, former pastors of Lutheran, Presbyterian or "Non-Denominational" communities that have been ordained to the ministerial priesthood? Are there any currently seeking it? Do you think a possible development in this area is likely?
I'm not talking about "letting priests get married" or removing the discipline of celibacy, but widening the exception to other married converts that feeled drawn to the priesthood, but were not formerly Anglican pastors.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 02:43 pm |
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RonRule wrote: Have there been any married, former pastors of Lutheran, Presbyterian or "Non-Denominational" communities that have been ordained to the ministerial priesthood? Are there any currently seeking it? Do you think a possible development in this area is likely?
To quote from the Pastoral Provision web site:
From the beginning the Holy See and the bishops of the United States view the “Pastoral Provision” as a pastoral response to the needs of a category of Christian faithful seeking full communion with the See of Peter. The ordination of married men is an exception granted on a case by case basis to former clergymen of the Episcopal Church (an exception now also extended to non-Episcopal ministers, although not through the “Pastoral Provision.)
(Emphasis added)
I have read the story of a married Lutheran pastor who was allowed to become a priest, and I believe I also remember a story of a Methodist pastor, but I can't point to them at the moment.
For more information, I would contact the Pastoral Provision folks directly, or even call the CHN office. Volunteers like David and myself don't come in contact with that kind of issue very often, while the full-time staff deals with such things on a regular basis.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 03:53 pm |
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I have before me a list from the CHN office. It states that clergy converts from the following denominations “have been permitted to become Catholic priests with a dispensation from celibacy”:
Anglican / Episcopal
Lutheran
United Methodist
Presbyterian
Charismatic Episcopal
Eastern Orthodox
All the denominations listed have a formal ecclesial organization, plus formal training and ordination for clergy. The Orthodox, of course, are not included under the Pastoral Provision. They are grandfathered in as members of the Catholic Eastern Rites.
As I understand it, the Pastoral Provision, like the Anglican Use provision, was originally set up only for Anglican and Episcopal clergy, and then only when whole parishes converted together. It was subsequently broadened by verbal permission from Rome, but the original decrees were never rewritten. So now it’s really done prudentially on a case by case basis, not according to any canon.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 04:56 pm |
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David W. Emery wrote: I have before me a list from the CHN office. It states that clergy converts from the following denominations “have been permitted to become Catholic priests with a dispensation from celibacy”:
And just as a "point of order" the Holy Father has the right to dispense anyone from the discipline of celibacy. It is not impossible that a married Catholic could be permitted to become a priest in the Latin Church. It would be much more difficult to justify since Catholics are raised aware of the discipline, but he still could do it if he felt it was in the best interest of the Church.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 05:08 pm |
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Thanks for the very helpful info guys.
I'm a recent convert from this past summer. I've been married 5 years. I'm a pastor's kid from a non-denom evangelical tradition, but never felt called to that type of "ministry" (it was 95% expositional bible teaching). However, since studying and becoming Catholic, I've never been able to shake a desire to become a priest.
Maybe it's just a case of Convert Enthusiasm. In 10 years maybe God will direct me to the Diaconate. But I just wanted to see what kind of discussion and movement there's been on this issue.
If the Church allows those that have spent 20+ years pastoring seperated brethren, will she recognize the call for those who "saw the light" and became Catholic before committing to protestant ministry? Just something I ponder... 
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