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Posted: Fri Mar 23rd, 2007 03:11 pm |
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Houston, Mar 23, 2007 / 10:41 am (CNA).- The Anglican Communion seems one step closer to a schism this week, after bishops of the U.S. Episcopal Church rejected an ultimatum from the primates of the Anglican Communion to create a new pastoral initiative that would help address the ongoing disagreement in the Anglican Church.
At the end of their annual spring retreat, the bishops of the Episcopal Church issued a statement on Tuesday, stating that they decline to participate in the primates' demand for a new pastoral scheme that calls for the appointment of a primatial vicar and pastoral council. According to the London Times, this scheme would provide an enclave for those who cannot accept the leadership of a liberal bishop who had abandoned the Church’s traditional stand on such things as homosexual “marriage,” or actively homosexual clerics.
The Episcopal bishops said they could not accept the plan because it violated their Church law. As well, they questioned the “unprecedented shift of power toward the Primates,” demonstrated by the plan.
Although they rejected the proposed pastoral plan, the U.S. bishops expressed their commitment “to continue working to find a way of meeting the pastoral concerns raised by the primates that are compatible with our own Church's polity and canons.”
At their meeting in Dar es Salaam, the primates had set a Sept. 30 deadline for the pastoral scheme to be set up. They also demanded a commitment not to authorize same-sex blessings or consecrate any more homosexual bishops.
"We believe that there is an urgent need for us to meet face to face with the Archbishop of Canterbury and members of the primates' standing committee, and we hereby request and urge that such a meeting be negotiated . . . at the earliest possible opportunity,” the U.S. bishops stated.
They invited the archbishop and members of the primates' standing committee for a three-day meeting to discuss these matters. They expressed their “strong desire to remain within the fellowship of the Anglican Communion.”
The above article is reposted with permission from the Catholic News Agency.
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Annie
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 09:54 am |
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| That's sad. This has been a slow motion train wreck.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 02:06 pm |
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 Annie, I fully agree. However, on this challenge, TEC honchos sure didn't look like they used up the full amount of time the Communion gave them to give an answer regarding homosexual bishops and "marriage rites" in the US BCP.
This is what happens when spiritually, emotionally and intellectually immature people step inside the locomotive and don't bother to see where the brake's located. But they sure know where the bells and whistle chords are to be found so they can make the most noise ahead of time before the inevitable crash.
Kinda reminds me of when I was a kid playing with my trains and seeing how bad I could make the next crash look.
As for these disastineers, what will they call their new denominabomination now? 
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Annie
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 02:57 pm |
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| I'm more of a mind of "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." I have no right to judge anybody involved in that, I have done enough bad things of my own. Last edited on Tue Mar 27th, 2007 02:58 pm by Annie
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 03:20 pm |
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Annie, we've all made regrettable mistakes along the way. But that doesn't prevent us from saying what we believe to be right from wrong. It's time for the Archbishop of Canterbury to act like an archbishop and throw the Yanks out of the communion, lock, stock and ... barrels of bullfeed.
Apb. Williams isn't likely to because, like his Prime Minister Tony Blair in the latter's handling of the recent Iranian hostage taking of his Majesty's seamen, is taking the ever so cautious way of "handling" an affront to authority. In this case the "authority" is on a level much higher than Her Majesty and even Britain's dwindling honor and pride.
It can be said that the Archbishop lacks the same levers of authority enjoyed by the Pope. But that's not stopping him from exercising his moral authority and say "Enough's enough and you've blow it. You're out of here." You'd be surprised at how quickly he'll regain whatever authority his see used to have just by watching him taking action, thus creating it by a simple statement with wide ranging defacto power behind his words.
Of course, this means he'd have to get his lawyers to cut the legal ties. So be it. Cut 'em and show 'em. (Even our Catholic bishops might take notice, knowing full well that Benedict does have both moral and legal authority to exercise if need be.)
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Annie
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Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2007 04:36 pm |
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| Actually it doesn't matter very much whether the Episcopal Church remains in the Anglican Communion does it? And who are Catholics to judge anybody else's church? We have enough of a mess of our own. I happen to be in a difficult diocese in a difficult church and I am reluctant to sling mud at anybody at this point.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 01:06 am |
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 Annie,
I agree with you that our Church has had more than its share of messy problems of late. But they were the result of unfaithfull men with sick minds who used these sick minds for committing sick crimes against young unsuspecting children. Moreso, they were covered for by their local bishops when the bishops should've been more diligent in cashiering the perverts out of the clergy.
The Church's doctrines, dogmas and disciplines for both clergy and laity have not been compromised by the acts of a miniscule number of men. And, while the Church in the US has taken quite a pounding in the courts and media, not to mention the bewildered minds of many parishioners in the pews, She still remains more intact than any other Christian denomination.
Still, our problems shouldn't prevent us from looking at the official acts of the Episcopalian House of Bishops and wonder if they have taken leave of their senses. The Episcopal Church is crumbling because the denomination's leaders have decided to follow trendy causes instead of sticking to Scripture, Tradition and Reason. We should follow what's happening in their ranks and not be afraid to ask what the heck is going on and why.
Roman Catholicism survives and thrives because the Church is more than willing to take what the world has to give it in return for her uncompromising stands on faith and morals. Who wants to be sitting in a church that's always prone to a form of spiritual sado-masochistic behavior all because its "leaders" prefer ambiguity over Truth.
It's one thing to voice sadness and concern for your Episcopalian friends and the crumbling "church" they have seen fall apart for the last thirty years; it's another thing altogether to hold back on telling the world that the Catholic Church is the fullest expression of Christianity they could ever find on earth. Dismayed and disillusioned Episcopalians and Anglican traditionalists should always know our light will always be lit as a beacon for many weary pilgrims looking for the rock of God's Truth as expressed fully through Roman Catholicism.
I understand your feelings for your Episcopalian friends, but we shouldn't allow our walks with God depend on our feelings; not only for others, but ourselves as well. To allow our feelings and compassion overtake sound reason and theological soundness is not what Jesus would want to see us do in His name. We should, (humbly), always be willing to honestly point out the advantages of Catholicism.
It's not that I want to sound like a bragging triumphalist, but I'm also not going to wring my hands because of the big Episcopal crack-up and trainwreck. Nor should anyone else.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 02:33 am |
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Stephen,
Very Well Said! I applaud your comments.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Wed Mar 28th, 2007 08:04 am |
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Darlene,
Thank you very much. Lately I've had to wait till I get to check my mail as the computer has been taken down to de-byte one of our boys from his computer addiction. But I think my wife also had me in mind, too.
Hope all is fine for you, your husband and that Scrooge-like character in your church is making fewer appearances. Start peppering him with tons of questions so fast he doesn't have a chance to zing you back. That should do it. If not, tell him to go to the Episcopal Church. Not quite as bad as saying GTH, but the way they're going, Satan's gonna have his "house of worship" as well.
Well, I've got some snarly dogs to mind before my boss picks me up. Sometimes my house resembles the Episcopal House of Bishops, 'cept we don't have any gay animals. Lots of noise, otherwise. 
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