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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 12:06 am |
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The Vatican's Congregation for the Clergy has announced a new web site which features the complete text of scripture cross-referenced with commentary from the Fathers and Doctors of the Church. A special feature presents the Sunday Lectionary readings cross-referenced to homilies from the Church's greatest homilists.
In addition, the entire library of the Congregation for the Clergy has been placed online, along with the Code of Canon Law (CIC) and the Code of Canons for the Eastern and Oriental Churches (CCEO) in parallel. The entire site contents can be downloaded or viewed online. It is available at no charge to anyone.
It is an incredible resource, available in five languages. The English version can be found at Biblia Clerus,
Invite your Protestant friends to visit the site as well.
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 01:10 am |
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This looks like a fine site in the making. Eventually it will include a huge library of resources pertinent to the mission of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Clergy.
At present, it is in the initial building stage, offering a number of versions of the bible (two each in several languages, including some I have not seen elsewhere) plus biblical commentary by an army of saints and doctors of the Church. It also contains works like St. Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica and St. Teresa of Avila’s Interior Castle. These works are available elsewhere on the internet, but not all in one place. Here, it appears that they will be searchable and hyperlinked once the different parts are assembled.
Please note that most of the sections are not yet functional. This is a brand new website, and it will take time to load it with all the goodies we know the Vatican can deliver. But I think we can safely say that it will be worth the wait.
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Dave Armstrong
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 05:34 pm |
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Looks like a marvelous resource. I look forward to it being more complete. I know I could have benefitted from this in many of my own debates.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 09:14 pm |
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I am a bit puzzled why they include content from a Protestant site.
http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en2/kv.htm refers to
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/links.html
The "In the Word Ministries" link on that page takes you to a Protestant apologetics site which contains this gem:
http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Questions_Answers_Christian.html
9) Could you please tell me what verse(s) make reference to Jesus having half brothers and sisters? I am debating a Catholic.
According to Catholic teachings, Mary never lost her virginity. But the writers of Matthew and Mark suggest that Mary had other children.
"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" (Matt. 13:55-56).
"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him" (Mk. 6:3)
There are a few other scriptural verses besides these two, but they simply say "brothers." Nevertheless, the implication from the texts above is that He not only had brothers, but that He also had sisters. Granted, The New Testament does not list the sisters but we have information from other Christian literature that identifies them. According to tradition, He had one sister by the name of Mary and one by the name of Salome (see: Protoevangelium of James 19:3-20:4; Gospel of Philip 59:6-11; Epiphanius, Panarion 78.81; 78.9.6).
Moreover, Josephus (writing before 100 A.D.) also reports that Jesus had a brother by the name of James:
"Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned." (Ant., Bk. XX)
In addition, if the recent discover of the Ossuary bearing the inscription: "James, Son of Joseph, Brother of Jesus," is genuine (being dated to 63 A.D.). Then the implication is even stronger.
It is also noteworthy that some early church writers such as Hegesippus (2nd cent.), Tertullian (160-220 A.D.), and Irenaeus (130-200 A.D.), also suggest that Jesus had siblings. John Meier, a modern scholar and Catholic, also admits to the probable implication:
"Hence, from a purely philological and historical point of view, the most probable opinion is that the brothers and sisters of Jesus were his siblings. (John Meier, A Marginal Jew Rethinking the Historical Jesus, page 332).
For these reasons, I believe the notion that Mary only bore Jesus to be unlikely in light of the available evidence.
While this is an laughably flimsy argument (especially the Ossuary reference) against the perpetual virginity of Mary, the site shouldn't host content from Protestant sites period, IMHO. It reminds me of one of a local Byzantine Catholic Parish which hosted its website on a generic Christian hosting site replete with banner ads from Seventh Day Adventists etc.  They don't do that anymore.
Parts of the site seem to be broken. I clicked the download entire site button and got an exe file. I use a Mac.  Otherwise, it looks like it may end up being a fine resource like http://newadvent.org.
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 09:28 pm |
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Paul, the reference you cite is actually a legally required attribution of where they got the text they posted, not a recommendation of the site itself. All the texts posted so far (with the exception of some of the biblical texts, which are owned by the Vatican or whose owners have granted them the right to post them) are in the public domain, so it is within their right to post them, provided they give source attribution, which they have done.
Regarding your encounter with “non-working” portions of the website, this was explained above. The site is still under construction, and you will experience some dead ends until it is finished. By the way, I too use a Mac, and I experienced the same thing you did with the .exe files. Give them a few months to get more resources posted and get the bugs worked out of some of what is already in place. Eventually, this is going to be a top notch reference site.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 09:47 pm |
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I really look forward to it.
I noticed the content varies slightly by language as well. I also speak Spanish, so I checked out the Spanish language page. The sources and content are different.
Still, it is a great resource. I would love for the references in the Catechism of the Catholic Church to be hot linked to the Church Fathers, Code of Canon Law, Scripture etc.
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CajunRick
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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 11:20 pm |
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catholic wrote: I am a bit puzzled why they include content from a Protestant site.
http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en2/kv.htm refers to
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/links.html
The "In the Word Ministries" link on that page takes you to a Protestant apologetics site which contains this gem:
http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Questions_Answers_Christian.html
I see nothing wrong with them referencing a site which provided their source material. I do it here all the time with links to places like Agape Press, Time Magazine, the New York Times, etc. That certainly doesn't mean I approve of or agree with every single thing on their sites, or every link they in turn may list. It just means I am acknowledging their contribution.
The page you reference gives the URL of the Early Christian Writings site, but there is no hyperlink and no link or listing to their links list. They are simply being proper Christians and acknowledging their source.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28th, 2008 10:32 am |
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The site is back online!
http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerus/index_eng.html
Pax,
Ruth
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