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heardclarke
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 03:35 am |
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With Thompson leaving the race today, does anyone have a sense of how the remaining 3 prolife candidates compare? (McCain, Huckabee, Romney?)
This is the most important issue for me, though I do look at other issues. Any input is appreciated.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 04:38 am |
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I cannot remember just what he had said about it, however, although I do not agree with their theology, I do appreciate that the Mormons tend to be very pro family. I would suspect that Romney is probably truly opposed to abortion. At one point, he took a so called "pro choice" stance, however, he has changed that in recent years. I would suspect that Huckabee probably is the strongest "pro life" candidate.
At this point, I would risk a guess that McCain may well end up being the Republican candidate and that either Huckabee or Romney will be the Vice Presidential candidate although there has been some talk of Secretary of State Rice being appealed to to run for Vice President. I suspect that Clinton and Obama will patch up their differences and run for President and Vice President together but I am not sure which will be in which position. If the Democrats win, I would also risk a guess that many states will find their state legislatures and governorships being largely filled by Republicans, to soften the percieved "blow" of two liberals getting into office and likewise Congress may once again have Republican majorities. Not a sure thing but it has been a trend I have noticed for some time now of the opposite party gaining the state legislatures, etc. Of course, the only One Who knows for sure, right now, is God and, no matter who is in office on earth, God is still in control of the world and universe and will prevail. And, again, at this point, as far as I know, Huckabee is very probably the most reliable pro life candidate.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 02:18 pm |
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| Of course, while I tend to doubt that he will, it is nevertheless still possible that former Vice President Al Gore might "step in", at the last minute to run for President for the Democrats. If he does, I would risk a prediction that he likely would win in a "landslide". I seem to recall that his postion was so called "pro choice", but am not sure about that. I have appreciated that some of the pro choice candidates have at least said that they want to do things to greatly reduce the need for abortions, however, I think that our nation needs to require that people act in a much more responsible manner to totally eliminate abortions from our society. There really is NO excuse for abortions, there is NO excuse for sexually transmitted diseases!
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heardclarke
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 04:13 pm |
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Yes that is true -- as long as people realize that actions do have consequences. We seem to be losing sight of that fact in this society.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 05:46 pm |
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EMarshallBuckles wrote: If he does, I would risk a prediction that he likely would win in a "landslide". I seem to recall that his postion was so called "pro choice", but am not sure about that.
Gore is completely pro-abortion. That was his platform in 2000 and in 1992. I don't think he could be elected except perhaps if the Republicans put up a really weak canidate. I think he'll have to settle for a Nobel prize, an Oscar, and a Grammy. But that's just my opinion, which has been notoriously bad in predicting presidential elections. I keep thinking the American people will choose the most qualified candidate. Obviously wishful thinking.
there is NO excuse for sexually transmitted diseases!
I have to disagree with you here but only in a couple of particular instances such as rape and incest, and where one spouse is using drugs or cheating on the other and passes the disease to the innocent spouse. To me, these are tragedies. I have less sympathy for those who knowingly put themselves at risk through drug use or improper sexual conduct.
But we are still called to love the sinner and hate the sin.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 07:16 pm |
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Oh yeah, I agree with what you said about disagreeing with the "no excuse for STD transmission". I should have revised my statement! OOPSIE! Yeah, there are some tragedies out there. While she cannot and does not violate confidentiality, I am aware that my wife, working as a social worker dealing with families, has to deal with such things everyday. I tell her that I admire her dedication, I probably would have run screaming out the door a long time ago if I had to do her job!
About Gore, yeah, I would like to see him settle for his awards (and "inventing the Internet", ha, ha). What I was getting at is that sometimes, perplexing as it may seem, the American public has often times seemed to me to have a sort of "weird sense of fairness", so to speak, and I have simply felt concern that this might manifest itself if he should, at the last minute, choose to run. I am seeing signs of this phenomenon in reactions to Obama's campaign [and, allow me to say, race is NOT an issue with me nor is gender, I just simply would prefer the first African American President, which I am sure we will have someday, sooner or later, be someone like General Colin Powell or someone of his excellent stature - I just have some questions about Senator Obama's background and some of his positions on some matters]. Another thing I have seen happen, here in Virginia, is that when one party gets the White House, the other party has gotten our Governorship. This has gone on since the '70s. Let's say the Democrats get the White House, this time around, if I was a betting person, I would wager "dollars to doughnuts" that Virginia will elect a Republican Governor the following year or vice versa if the Republicans get the White House. That could change, especially in a time of recession, however, so far, it has happened every time. Strange but true, so far, ha, ha! Oh well! Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what happens! I am just glad that my Catholic brothers and sisters and some other denominations do the March for Life and keep up the pressure for an end to abortion!
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 07:37 pm |
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EMarshallBuckles wrote: I just simply would prefer the first African American President, which I am sure we will have someday, sooner or later, be someone like General Colin Powell or someone of his excellent stature
Alan Keyes!
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 07:46 pm |
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Fred Thompson had been endorsed by the National Right to Life Committee back in November. With his exit, the new endorsement will be quite beneficial to the one who receives it.
I wrote a post about Mitt Romney's waffling on abortion in May 2006. It's possible he could have had a true change of heart like the elder Bush and Reagan did.
I haven't studied it closely, but I understand that Huckabee and McCain have good pro-life voting records.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 08:05 pm |
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| Thanks--I am leaning toward McCain now but we'll see who gets that endorsement.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 08:52 pm |
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| What frosts me is how mnay WOMEN I have tlaked to or listened to who have said they will vote for Hilary JUST BECUASE she is a woman- give me a break here- how sad if that is their critieria and what does that say about women voters? No doubt there have been men who have voted for typically stupid reasons out there but I sure hope that we don't have Hilary for solely those reasons. Sorry any Dems. out there- I don't mean to get into any political flame wars here.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 08:57 pm |
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kimdyuma wrote: What frosts me is how mnay WOMEN I have tlaked to or listened to who have said they will vote for Hilary JUST BECUASE she is a woman
Thankfully that hasn't been the case with women I know IRL and (liberal leaning) online mom's. Most are going for Obama. Now there is a man I could stand to look at for four years. Just sayin' . . . .  
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 09:08 pm |
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Ali wrote:Now there is a man I could stand to look at for four years. Just sayin' . . . .
Any reason you'd have to look at him in the White House? He's been pretty visible in the Senate for the last four years.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23rd, 2008 09:16 pm |
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| Sorry Ali- his ears are too big- all joking aside though I honestlyam leery of the whole democrat slate right now. I don't think they have an true idea of what socialized health care means for instance- I have lived with socialized health care and had no major complaints but the cost is possibly higher than we want to go. I know Europe and Canada have it but they have a host of problems related to their cradle to grave care governmental ideas which are starting to see the light of day and will be a huge issue over the next 20 years
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 03:15 am |
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CajunRick wrote: Alan Keyes!
Oh yeah! I think that Keyes would work for me well! My wife likes him too!
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 03:34 am |
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kimdyuma wrote: What frosts me is how many WOMEN I have talked to or listened to who have said they will vote for Hilary JUST BECUASE she is a woman- give me a break here- how sad if that is their critieria and what does that say about women voters? No doubt there have been men who have voted for typically stupid reasons out there but I sure hope that we don't have Hilary for solely those reasons. Sorry any Dems. out there- I don't mean to get into any political flame wars here. Yes, just objectively speaking, one thing I have started to "pick up on", so to speak, like you, is that there are quite a few women who will vote for Hillary just because she is a woman and and quite a few African Americans who will vote for Obama simply because he is an African American (and, uh, some who like his looks, ahem! - wonder how he would look if he grew a beard like Marcus?). I was listening to a morning commentary show on which they were interviewing James Carville, one of Hillary's advisors and a poltical expert no matter what one may think of him, who, when asked, said that, indeed, it is entirely possible that there could be a Clinton and Obama or Obama and Clinton ticket. Sooo, guess we will have to "stay tuned" to see what develops. Another phenomenon I have noticed is that apparently people sometimes feel comfortable if a candidate has politically influential relatives or relatives who have served in the same office and are still around and close to the candidate. Note President George W. Bush and his father former President George H.W. Bush. Here in Virginia we have Governor Timothy Kaine and his father in law former Governor Holton. The Kennedys and others I could mention likewise have had connections and while those connections may say that they don't have any input, I would tend to suggest that they do or will like former President Bill Clinton who could end up as the, um, uh, "First Bubba", or, uh, I mean, GENTLEMAN, heh, heh! Anyway, yep, I suspect that many people WILL vote for Clinton and/or Obama for reasons of gender and race although I suspect that they will have secondary reasons as well. By the way, I wonder if maybe a McCain and Allen Keyes ticket might work for the Republicans or a McCain and Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice ticket might work well. I'd surely enthusiastically vote for Secretary Rice for President had she run for President. My main concern, with any President and Vice President is that while they have concern for the poor, do something about the health insurance problems and the like, that they don't take us down a road of amoral advanced socialism. Oh, by the way, there has been some talk, here in Virginia, that if Obama becomes the Presidential Candidate for the Democrats that he might choose our Virginia Govenor Kaine to run with him. Governor Kaine says no, but there has been a lot of talk about that possibility. We shall see what happens and certainly we can all pray about it!
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 04:54 am |
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EMarshallBuckles wrote: CajunRick wrote: Alan Keyes!
Oh yeah! I think that Keyes would work for me well! My wife likes him too!
Somehow I don't think I'll have the opportunity to vote for him in November, but he has my vote for the Louisiana primary on February 9th. I changed party affiliation to vote for him in 2000, and I will gladly vote for him again.
Assuming he does not get the Republican nomination, I have no idea at this point who I will vote for in November, except that I know I cannot vote for any of the Demorat front-runners at this point.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 10:06 am |
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I have to disagree with you here but only in a couple of particular instances such as rape and incest, and where one spouse is using drugs or cheating on the other and passes the disease to the innocent spouse.
And sometimes blood transfusions?
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 11:51 am |
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BodRod wrote: CajunRick wrote: I have to disagree with you here but only in a couple of particular instances such as rape and incest, and where one spouse is using drugs or cheating on the other and passes the disease to the innocent spouse.
And sometimes blood transfusions?
Rare today, but certainly true. It's possible to catch just about any communicable disease through legitimate methods, reinforcing the point that it is dangerous to generalize by using exclusive phrases.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 07:52 pm |
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| Yeah, I apologize for "generalizing by using an exclusive phrase". Should have put some more thought into that one. Anyway, what I was trying to get at is that it has long seemed to me that many people - enough to make their behavior a serious problem for everyone although I would prefer that the problem not exist at all - have promiscuous sexual relations and end up spreading diseases to the innocent. While I do have a certain amount of compassion for everyone, at least if someone choses to have sexual relations with someone to whom they are not married and limit it to one person or an exclusive group of persons, they would not spread disease to the general population, however, sadly, they do not limit their contacts or those with whom they have relations do not limit their contacts and diseases spread. And, of course, as we all know, this has become a spreading and often deadly problem. I was reading recently that antibiotic resistant infections are starting to spread among homosexuals in San Francisco and they also started showing up in heterosexuals in southwestern Virginia along with scabies a while back (at least in Virginia, diligent efforts are being made to get these under control). I have to wonder if, at some point, it needs to become a serious misdeameanor to spread cureable STDs and a felony to spread uncurable STDs with, of course, provisions for proving one's innocence and so forth. Whatever the answer (the most appropriate, ultimate answer being to follow God's teachings in the Bible of course), I have sometimes prayed that our nation might somehow enter a sort of "enlightened neo-Victorian era" where we are much more modest and do not go around spreading diseases, where the family and faithful marriage is the standard. Even so, I tend to suspect that we won't see that in our lifetimes if the Lord does not return before we pass away. Again, sorry for my "generalizing exclusive phrase". I assure you that I do realize that there are many innocents who get afflicted with diseases and situations and are the victims. I just sometimes wonder "How long, O Lord, will this sort of thing go on" and can only take comfort that someday, our Lord Jesus Christ will take things into His Hands. At the Washington National Catherdral, the protestant Cathedral Church of St. Peter and St. Paul in Washington, DC, the high altar has a relief, large statue representing Jesus sitting as Judge on His Throne some day. At the Basilica Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, DC, above the altar there is a mosaic representing Jesus looking at one with power and authority. Both respresentations are awesome to behold and remind us that someday we will all stand before Him! May God have mercy upon us!
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Posted: Thu Jan 24th, 2008 08:24 pm |
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EMarshallBuckles wrote: I assure you that I do realize that there are many innocents who get afflicted with diseases and situations and are the victims.
And I think they are a constant reminder to us that sinners are not the only ones who pay the consequence for sin. Even the innocents would not be infected had it not been for the sins of others.
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