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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 03:04 pm |
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The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments says its time for the Church to reconsider Communion in the hand.
At http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=11659
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Communion in hand should be revised, Vatican official says
Archbishop Albert Malcolm RanjithROME, Feb 1, 2008 / 03:32 pm (CNA).- Archbishop Albert Malcolm Ranjith, Secretary of the Vatican's Congregation for Divine Cult and Discipline of the Sacraments has said that the policy of giving Communion in the hand should be revised.
Receiving Holy Communion in the hand "produces a growing weakening of a devout attitude toward the Most Holy Sacrament," wrote Archbishop Ranjith in the preface of a book from the Auxiliary Bishop of Kazakhstan, Bishop Athanasius Schneider.
The book's title, printed by the Vatican Editing house, is “Dominus Est: Meditations of a Bishop from Central Asia on the Sacred Eucharist."
Archbishop Ranjith says in the preface that the Eucharist should be received "with reverence and an attitude of devout adoration," and claims that the practice of receiving Communion in the hand "was introduced in some places in an abusive and hurried manner."
The Archbishop also highlights that the Second Vatican Council never promoted or legitimated such practice.
“I believe it is time to evaluate and reconsider such a practice, and if necessary, abandon it all together," Ranjith concludes.
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For more detail see the USCCB's Catholic News Service at http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0800606.htmLast edited on Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 04:05 pm by Tina in Ashburn
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 05:17 pm |
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| This is a rather disconcerting development in view of the practice of the early church. According to writtings of the early fathers they actually took a portion of the eucharist home to consume during the week, perhaps to fulfill: "Give us this day our daily bread..." as prayed in the Our Father. The early christians were also instructed to store the eucharist in a safe place to prevent mice from gnawing on it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 05:51 pm |
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Ted, Communion in the hand in the early Church was stopped because it was recognized as an abuse.
The priest has consecrated hands. The laity does not.
This "development" of allowing laity to handle the Eucharist is only about 40 years old. The Church has a much longer tradition of only allowing consecrated hands to touch God.
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tedjenczewski wrote: This is a rather disconcerting development in view of the practice of the early church. According to writtings of the early fathers they actually took a portion of the eucharist home to consume during the week, perhaps to fulfill: "Give us this day our daily bread..." as prayed in the Our Father. The early christians were also instructed to store the eucharist in a safe place to prevent mice from gnawing on it.
The problem for me is not communion in the hand, but the way in which the majority of the laity receive it. I do believe that communion in the hand should be allowed according to the practice of the early Church. I also believe that priests and ministers should be instructed to refuse communion in the hand to those who do not properly present themselves. This should be preceded by instruction at least once a year in the proper way to receive communion either in the hand or on the tongue, and the proper way to drink from the cup.
I receive in the hand, but I do so with great reverence, ever mindful of our Lord's instruction to "take and eat". I then examine my hand and reverently consume any particle that may remain. When I take the cup it is with both hands and a firm grip as though I were truly handling the most precious liquid on earth, which is exactly what I am doing. I will also make absolutely certain not a single drop remains on my lips.
If everyone received in this manner, there would be no problem with communion in the hand. Unfortunately, the way it's done, I believe it often crosses the line into (unintentional) desecration.
When I purify the vessels after mass (which I am permitted to do), I will consume every drop remaining in the cup, and then let it sit for a few moments so any liquid that has remained on the side of the cup will settle at the bottom, and then I consume it as well. I take a full cup of water and pour it carefully from one vessel to another until they are all absolutely clean, and then I consume every drop of water, rinse the last cup again and consume that water as well, and only then to I dry the cups with the purificator which I then place carefully in the container to be cleansed and washed.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:11 am |
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To further expand on a dimension of this that Rick touched on, -
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0606058.htm
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 01:06 am |
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mg57 wrote:
To further expand on a dimension of this that Rick touched on, -
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0606058.htm
And just for clarification, I am an instituted acolyte (as mentioned in the article) and so I am permitted to purify the vessels. Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion who are not instituted acolyltes are not permitted that honor.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 01:27 am |
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Rick, how does the Church in Rome handle this Archbishop's opinion on this subject? Does him being the Secretary of the Vatican's Congregation for Divine Cult and Discipline of the Sacraments give him any power to change the practice or does it take the Pope's or Magisterium's decision to change it?
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 03:01 am |
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setapart wrote: Rick, how does the Church in Rome handle this Archbishop's opinion on this subject? Does him being the Secretary of the Vatican's Congregation for Divine Cult and Discipline of the Sacraments give him any power to change the practice or does it take the Pope's or Magisterium's decision to change it?
He has no authority on his own, but he certainly has the pope's ear. His congregation could issue an opinion withdrawing the permission given to the US bishops but that is unlikely. It is also possible his congregation could issue guidelines that would require, for example, the refusal of communion in the hand to those who did not present themselves properly. The action of any Vatican congregation is subject to the approval of the Holy Father, either explicit or implied. In other words, a declaration would not be issued against the pope's wishes, but his approval might not be explicitly given. He would at the very least be informed of the decision in advance and given the opportunity to overrule it.
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I take a sort of middle position on this, but leaning more towards communion on the tongue, which I practice myself. I have written a paper (as always!) about it:
How to Receive Communion: Tradition, Abuses, Symbolism, and Piety
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The problem for me is not communion in the hand, but the way in which the majority of the laity receive it.
I’m an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion and on any given Sunday I’ll give around 200 People Holy Communion (in Germany the cup is offered only on very special personal occasions e.g. Weddings). I would not venture so far as to say that a majority receive in an irreverent manner. I would however greatly appreciate a yearly instruction on how to correctly present oneself. Also Refusal of communion to someone who presents themselves is a very grave matter, and should not be done unless there is immediate and dire danger of a sacrilege.
I really don’t like hand Communion and practice it myself only on very rare occasions where it’s almost unavoidable.
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Robert wrote: Also Refusal of communion to someone who presents themselves is a very grave matter, and should not be done unless there is immediate and dire danger of a sacrilege. As an EMHC, I don't think it is my place to refuse anyone. However, I would like the (explicit) authority and encouragement to instruct them on the proper way to receive, and to at least take the gum out of their mouths.
I'd also like to be able to tell the girls to come back when I can't see down their tops to their navels, and the boys to come back when their pants cover their underwear, but that's another issue.
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I'm with you all the way brother
But as always; the formation of good practice starts in the home!
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CajunRick wrote:
As an EMHC, I don't think it is my place to refuse anyone. However, I would like the (explicit) authority and encouragement to instruct them on the proper way to receive, and to at least take the gum out of their mouths.
Please tell me that you would never knowingly impart the Body of Christ to anyone who has gum in their mouths. I don't want to appear overly dramatic, but I would literally accept martyrdom before I would commit such a sacrilege.
This whole thread is scaring me.
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When I purify the vessels after mass (which I am permitted to do), I will consume every drop remaining in the cup, and then let it sit for a few moments so any liquid that has remained on the side of the cup will settle at the bottom, and then I consume it as well. I take a full cup of water and pour it carefully from one vessel to another until they are all absolutely clean, and then I consume every drop of water, rinse the last cup again and consume that water as well, and only then to I dry the cups with the purificator which I then place carefully in the container to be cleansed and washed.
It's very good that you take such care purifying the sacred vessels. I know that there are different rules in the Roman Rite for who can distribute Holy Communion than in the Byzantine Rite. I understand that it is felt necessary to use Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist because of the large crowds receiving Holy Communion in Roman Catholic churches (though I fail to see why there are so many people receiving Holy Communion when there are so few Confessions being made), but why exactly is it that the priest or deacon is not purifying the Chalice? I remember it being done by the priest at daily Masses I attended as a teenager in the late 1970's.
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Prodigal Son wrote: CajunRick wrote:
When I purify the vessels after mass (which I am permitted to do), I will consume every drop remaining in the cup, and then let it sit for a few moments so any liquid that has remained on the side of the cup will settle at the bottom, and then I consume it as well. I take a full cup of water and pour it carefully from one vessel to another until they are all absolutely clean, and then I consume every drop of water, rinse the last cup again and consume that water as well, and only then to I dry the cups with the purificator which I then place carefully in the container to be cleansed and washed.
It's very good that you take such care purifying the sacred vessels. I know that there are different rules in the Roman Rite for who can distribute Holy Communion than in the Byzantine Rite. I understand that it is felt necessary to use Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist because of the large crowds receiving Holy Communion in Roman Catholic churches (though I fail to see why there are so many people receiving Holy Communion when there are so few Confessions being made), but why exactly is it that the priest or deacon is not purifying the Chalice? I remember it being done by the priest at daily Masses I attended as a teenager in the late 1970's.
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And the glorious response I spent 30 min workin on just flashed off the screen and disappeared... Providence?
What is up with that CHNI Forum? Grrrrrrrrr.
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Here is a link to a document written by Pope John Paul II in 1980 on the Sacred Species:
Click Here
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ASimpleSinner wrote: What is up with that CHNI Forum? Grrrrrrrrr.
Host malfunction again last night. I notified them at about 6:30 am and it came back on a few minutes later, so apparently they hadn't noticed the problem.
There are still ongoing server issues so, unfortunately, the best advice is still to do a Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C before clicking "Send". Then if you lose it, paste it into Notepad until you can get back online.
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Here's another document I found while researching this topic:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWMEMOR.HTM
Even though it's not from the Vatican website, it does have Pope Paul VI's instructions to the Faithful on the Sacred Species. This is from May of 1969.
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Sounds to me, Rick, that you are very conscientious in your duties as your pastor directs. I hear ya when you say distributing Holy Communion is at times distressing when the recipients don't demonstrate propriety. Priests probably experience the same thing - I've never seen the badly dressed or gum-chewers be refused Communion by a priest [though typically, I don't watch the Communion line, I usually have my head down focusing on my own reception]. Even the controversy over abortion-supporting politicians isn't completely settled for priests who want to refuse Communion.
Rick, haven’t you explained in other threads that the role of Extraordinary Minister is specifically defined? As a layman, you are limited in decision-making, right?
The point is, the laymen's role with Communion is very limited. The authority and responsibility rests on the clergy and the hierarchy.
The laity can do plenty, but only up to a point. In Dominicae Cenae linked above from cathmom, Pope John-Paul II calls the clergy to get their act together and straighten up behavior at Communion.
Quoting JP II's "DOMINICAE CENAE" from cathmom's link above,
"In some countries the practice of receiving Communion in the hand has been introduced....cases of a deplorable lack of respect towards the eucharistic species have been reported, cases which are imputable not only to the individuals guilty of such behavior but also to the pastors of the church who have not been vigilant enough regarding the attitude of the faithful towards the Eucharist."
Quoting the 1969 "Instruction on the Manner of Distributing Holy Communion" from link in cathmom's preceding post,
"... the custom was established of the minister placing a particle of consecrated bread on the tongue of the communicant. This method of distributing holy communion must be retained, taking the present situation of the Church in the entire world into account, not merely because it has many centuries of tradition behind it, but especially because it expresses the faithful's reverence for the Eucharist. "
and " ......Further, the practice which must be considered traditional ensures, more effectively, that holy communion is distributed with the proper respect, decorum and dignity. It removes the danger of profanation of the sacred species, in which "in a unique way, Christ, God and man, is present whole and entire, substantially and continually."[9] Lastly, it ensures that diligent carefulness about the fragments of consecrated bread which the Church has always recommended: "What you have allowed to drop, think of it as though you had lost one of your own members."[10] "
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Tina in Ashburn wrote:
The authority and responsibility rests on the clergy and the hierarchy.
The laity can do plenty, but only up to a point. In Dominicae Cenae linked above from cathmom, Pope John-Paul II calls the clergy to get their act together and straighten up behavior at Communion.
I hope I'm doing the quoting right. 
I think the laity do have the responsibility of educating themselves as well. If we can share what we find with each other, such as in this forum, then we can get the word out to others who may not be receiving proper instruction in this or any other matter.
To clarify--I'm not saying to override the clergy or the hierarchy; however, as faithful Catholics we need to continue educating ourselves.
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Tina in Ashburn wrote: Rick, haven’t you explained in other threads that the role of Extraordinary Minister is specifically defined? As a layman, you are limited in decision-making, right?
Correct. I do not have the authority to refuse communion to anyone without direct instructions from my pastor, bishop, etc. However, I do have the ability to ask someone to remove the gum from his or her mouth, or to place the host on a tongue if their hands are otherwise occupied. I have never had to ask someone to remove gum, but I would do it. I have seen people in line to receive the Eucharist chewing gum so I know it happens, but they tend to either remove it or tuck it away before getting to the head of the line, so the minister is not normally aware tht they are chewing gum.
I have refused to give communion in the hand if they were struggling with an unruly or sleeping child and I felt they could not safely handle the Precious Body, but it's only happened a couple of times.
The authority of the minister should be limited to instruction, not judgment, but I believe that authority should be encouraged and emphasized more than it is, and combined with instruction from the pastor as to the proper manner of receiving the Eucharist respectfully.
And when they let me start making the rules, that's what they'll be!
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cathmom wrote: To clarify--I'm not saying to override the clergy or the hierarchy; however, as faithful Catholics we need to continue educating ourselves.
Absolutely. We would not visit a fancy, expensive restaurant without inquiring about the dress code, resevations, acceptable payment methods, etc. Many people will spend more time preparing for a single night out than they will spend in their entire lives learning how to respectfully receive the Eucharist.
But it's also true that we can't learn it if we don't know we don't know it. Before we can larn how to do it right, we have to learn we are doing it wrong.
I attended Way of the Cross and Benediction last night and I was surprised to see several kids in attendance. They are learning respect for the Eucharist and their parents will be blessed for it. I hope they can convey that respect to their peers.
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| I had 3 shockers today. Usually the "older" members like to receive on the tongue. However, today, 1 high school age and 2 elementary school age received on the tongue.
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BodRod wrote: I had 3 shockers today. Usually the "older" members like to receive on the tongue. However, today, 1 high school age and 2 elementary school age received on the tongue.
I am a month shy of 31... I have not received "in hand" or from a layman in over 14 years. (Not just because I am Greek Catholic - I attend weekday Masses from time to time at the RC parish one block from where I work!)
Wihtout making any sort of spectacle, getting in the priest or deacon's line, and then recieving on the tongue has never once been any sort of burden.
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| 95% of the people at my parish receive on the tongue and at the altar rail: including my three boys: aged 16, 14, and 11. So there are parishes out there that follow the traditional practice.
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