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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Wed Nov 29th, 2006 12:07 am |
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I don't understand why these priest's insist on staying priest. All they do is scandalize the church. I pray the Vatican does something about this. I'm going to send some e-mails and letters too.
Milingo & Gravel, Neither of them work for Christ or his Holy Church.:X
Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual Marriage Catholic Priest Elected to Canadian Parliament
By John-Henry Westen
REPENTIGNY, November 28, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Rev. Raymond Gravel, a Catholic priest, who has scandalized Canadian Catholics for years by condemning Vatican pronouncements against homosexual marriage and pronouncing himself publicly in favour of abortion, has been elected to Parliament, representing the Bloc Quebecois in Repentigny Quebec.
While the Vatican has officially forbidden priests from seeking public office, Gravel obtained permission to run from his Bishop - Gilles Lussier of the diocese of Joliette - on condition that he cease priestly functions for the duration of his political career, and that he abstain from voting against the Church on issues such as abortion and homosexual marriage. In the past when Gravel scandalized Catholics with his anti-Catholic stands, the Bishop failed (at least publicly) to correct Gravel.
Faithful Catholics fear that Gravel, now on the national stage, will cause further scandal, despite his promises. "I fear he is going to cause much scandal in the years to come," Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholic told LifeSiteNews.com.
Commenting in the pages of the upcoming December issue of the magazine Catholic Insight, Editor Rev. Alphonse de Valk says: "In view of his vociferous denunciations of Catholic doctrine in the past, it is difficult to believe that Fr. Gravel will hold to this agreement. It is more likely that, once elected, he will unfortunately be perceived as a Catholic priest at every radio or TV interview or show, and continue to denounce Catholic moral teaching. In the House of Commons, he will present himself as a legitimate spokesman for the Catholic community and do the same thing there."
Indeed Rev. Gravel has not been shy about breaking with his promises. Despite the promises he made when he was ordained a priest to adhere to Catholic doctrine, he has publicly repudiated Church teaching with impunity. In 2004, Gravel boasted to a radio interviewer, "I am pro-choice and there is not a bishop on earth that will prevent me from receiving Communion, not even the Pope."
Gravel seems to believe that his brand of 'Catholicism' is more authentic. A couple of months ago, he wrote a letter to the editor of the Quebec newsweekly Actualité (Sept. 15, 2006) in which he asserted that "Cardinal Ouellet is not a true Catholic, that he is not representative of Quebec Catholics, and that, indeed, he is against the Gospel."
Fr. de Valk suggests that Bishop Lussier has failed in his duty to rein in the renegade priest. The bishop "has exceeded his authority in allowing and not preventing Fr. Gravel to run for political office. The bishop's refusal to permanently suspend Fr. Gravel now may endanger the efforts to overturn same-sex 'marriage,'" says Fr. de Valk.
To respectfully communicate concern:
The Most Rev. Luigi Ventura, Apostolic Nuncio
724 Manor Ave.
Ottawa, ON K1M 0E3
Phone: (613) 746-4914
FAX: (613) 746-4786
Diocèse de Joliette
2, rue St-Charles-Borromée Nord
C.P. 470
Joliette, Qc
J6E 6H6
Telephone: (450) 753-7596
fax: (450) 753-7933
e-mail: communication@diocesedejoliette.org
Mail or fax (most effective):
William Cardinal Levada
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Piazza del S. Uffizio, 11, 00193 Roma, Italy
Fax: 06.69.88.34.09
To email the CDF:
William Cardinal Levada
E-mail: cdf@cfaith.va
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David W. Emery
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Posted: Wed Nov 29th, 2006 12:17 am |
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I don't understand why these priests insist on staying priests.
Yes, or remaining Catholics. But there is a sort of warped logic to their stance. As one dissident nun put it, “I stay in the Church because that’s where the copier is.” Meaning that she can get more publicity and do more damage by operating from the inside.
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Steven Barrett
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Posted: Thu Nov 30th, 2006 02:55 pm |
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Don't worry folks, this errant father will one day have to face a new Speaker at the Pearly Gates in the form of St. Peter. Guess who won't be seated in God's Parliament?
Thank God He gave us a sense of humor when it comes to politics!
(Well, when one lives in Massachusetts, a lot of is necessary, just to keep out of the legislature of squirrels.)
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BettyBoopToo
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Posted: Fri Dec 1st, 2006 12:09 am |
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David W. Emery wrote: [size=I don't understand why these priests insist on staying priests.
Yes, or remaining Catholics. But there is a sort of warped logic to their stance. As one dissident nun put it, “I stay in the Church because that’s where the copier is.” Meaning that she can get more publicity and do more damage by operating from the inside.
David]
They seem to have No fear of God, Knowing that God knows our every hearts motive. They seem not to care in the least.
It's one thing to not be aware of what your doing, But an entirely different thing to intentionally discent & pervert the teaching.
Folks like this concern me in more ways than one.
Don't worry folks, this errant father will one day have to face a new Speaker at the Pearly Gates in the form of St. Peter. Guess who won't be seated in God's Parliament?
Your right about this Steven! They worry me for their very souls.
Thanks for the replys
Betty
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Darlene
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Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2006 07:22 pm |
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I think the Vatican needs to speak out on heretics like this. He is not a priest in truth. He is an errant, unbelieving, fallen away Christain who is deceived. He is what many Protestants would call a Backslider, or even worse, what Jesus would call a "wolf in sheep's clothing."
The Bible tells us that we need to "expose the works of darkness." What this priest is doing is wicked and diabolical. He is all the more responsible because he is doing it with his eyes wide open in rebellion against the Truth.
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Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2006 07:43 pm |
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Darlene wrote: I think the Vatican needs to speak out on heretics like this. He is not a priest in truth. He is an errant, unbelieving, fallen away Christain who is deceived. He is what many Protestants would call a Backslider, or even worse, what Jesus would call a "wolf in sheep's clothing."
The Bible tells us that we need to "expose the works of darkness." What this priest is doing is wicked and diabolical. He is all the more responsible because he is doing it with his eyes wide open in rebellion against the Truth.
Darlene
The Vatican has spoken out many times against politicians who do not follow Catholic teaching. It is up to the bishop to take specific action against this particular priest. Be assured that the Vatican is addressing the issue, and don't be surprised to find him excommunicated and/or laicized at some point in the not too distant future. The Vatican will not step in and override the actions of the bishop, but it is quite possible that the bishop will find himself addressing the matter with the umbrella of a Vatican threat hanging over his head.
The Church is not a democracy. She does not hurry, and never are threats and compromises discussed in public. But renegade priests are dealt with, and the punishments are often severe. There are many weapons in the Church's arsenal to deal with problem priests and bishops (like transfers to contemplative monasteries) that can benefit the Church while removing a problem, but things are always handled behind closed doors until the final action is taken.
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Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2006 03:07 pm |
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| I just hope the abbots follow the wisdom of the Casey Stengel who said managers should keep all their malcontents, losers and troublemakers together lest they infect the entire team's morale.
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